Bottled Bacteria, AquaBiomics. Just what's in your bottles

[Dburr1014]

*I would bet $20,000, but I don't have that right now. If I did, I would just fund this experiment myself

But if you're so sure then you would double your money!

 

[Solo McReefer]

Strain aside, the only difference between MB7 and Eco-Balance is that Eco-Balance includes the species Serratia marcescens (or something that AB testing identifies as S. marcescens).

What if there is vibrio in some random A bottle brand on a shelf?

I definitely would like to know that

I thought others might think that's a concern as well

Either way, I no longer think doing this publically is a good idea

I don't want Pohl's team sending German ninjas to my house at 3am

 

[Solo McReefer]

But if you're so sure then you would double your money!

Let's swab your shower

Send it to AquaBiomics

I know it's in mine, why I spray it down with lysol and bleach

 

[Solo McReefer]

how far down the rabbit hole does one want to go?

Until the rabbit is in the bag

 

[Solo McReefer]

Back in the day,

They used to tell us that "Nitrosomonas and Nitrobacter" were in the bottles

We know this is not the case today

 

[BeanAnimal]

Is where this is headed... I don't want to know about the nasties... I won't want to touch anything.

 

[Solo McReefer]

Is where this is headed... I don't want to know about the nasties... I won't want to touch anything.

 

[areefer01]

Until the rabbit is in the bag

And we both know what they say about 'they breed like rabbits' or maybe the trouble with Tribbles. A lot of products have market speak like engineered to grow a thriving reef (lights) or maximum growth & coloration in all Corals & Their Allies (amino). Curious how we choose which products to test against the BS meter is all.

Hope your day is well. Weather out your way is cooling down which is nice.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

"A/B testing"

But "AquaBiomics testing"

"How is he A/B testing his tank, what is he A/B testing? He is really really into reefing if he's A/B testing his tank, whatever he's doing."

I thought that until I just read this. lol

 

[Spare time]

If there is a requirement to constantly dose botttled bacteria, isn’t that an indication that they are not becoming established in the microbiome?

Or an indication that they get skimmed out

 

[telegraham]

If there is a requirement to constantly dose botttled bacteria, isn’t that an indication that they are not becoming established in the microbiome?

You might be using something like MB7 for nutrient control. In that case, you would dose regularly (if you subscribe to their unproven recommendation).

Or an indication that they get skimmed out

I've not tested skimmate, but if one were so inclined to do so, it would be easy.

 

[Solo McReefer]

it would be easy.

I just emptied my skimmer cup

Yup, it was filled with bacteria

 

[GlassMunky]

ROTFLMAO ….exactly

Exactly pt 2…
there is soooo much room for snake oil sales in this segment…
One could theoretically bottle up fish poo and skimmer scum. Decant the clearer stuff and legally sell it as “Aquarium bacteria” … heck e.coli theoretically is a candidate (for fw tanks) ….
there isn’t any service promise/agreement on the bottle, so heck they could be selling us anything or nothing particularly useful…
I won’t probably crowdfund anyone “researching” what’s in these bottles, you could tell me anything…I wouldn’t know the difference..
the money is in selling it, whatever it is…

they do exactly this and sell it as a "soil conditioner" for plant use
Fish S h ! t Soil Conditioner
Irts literally the waste from a tilapia farm bottled and sold to people.

I mean talk about finding a way to sell off your waste products for profits.

 

[Oldreefer44]

As I read the post this is what also crossed my mind. Also that I'm finding this hobby strange in that we are so focused on proving labels right or wrong.

I think it is partially because we are involved in a very complicated hobby that is ripe for "snake oil" type products in that the average hobbyist is incapable of being able to isolate a specifics products impact. We read daily about one product or another working great in a specific persons tank without any proof. I think it very important that deceptively labeled (or non labeled) products be identified because if not, more and more will appear on the market making our hobby even more complicated, difficult and expensive.

 

[taricha]

Also that I'm finding this hobby strange in that we are so focused on proving labels right or wrong.

Labels in this hobby are weird to me.

Some are a literal accounting of the amounts of various compounds in the bottles and measure very well in agreement with standards.
Others are fairy tales about physically/chemically impossible things the contents of the bottle can never do.
And lots somewhere in between.

So hobbyists justifiably wrestle with how we should think about labels.

 

[Solo McReefer]

they do exactly this and sell it as a "soil conditioner" for plant use
Fish S h ! t Soil Conditioner
Irts literally the waste from a tilapia farm bottled and sold to people.

I mean talk about finding a way to sell off your waste products for profits.

You should see how people used to dye their clothes

Urea is used to "set" the dye in natural textile production

 

[Solo McReefer]

So hobbyists justifiably wrestle with how we should think about labels.

What is in the bottles is not on the labels with these products

Without looking it up, I am quite confident that there is some useful purpose that some oil from snakes, in some some industry. I am just not interested in that

It could be high in Omega 3 fatty acids, or promoted the production of endogenous cortisol, or endogenous endomorphins for all I know. It could block the production of PDE⁵. Dunno

There is probably a whole industry in the production of some particular snake and extraction of oil from their glands. Maybe

I just happen to be interested in what's in the bottles. I know a couple of others are as well.

And it's very obvious there is a huge audience of reefers who either actively don't want to know or couldn't care less

 

[telegraham]

And it's very obvious there is a huge audience of reefers who either actively don't want to know or couldn't care less

It's blind faith, and I find that to be intriguing.

 

[Solo McReefer]

We read daily about one product or another working great in a specific persons tank without any proof

In the Scientific Method

This is called an observation, with the rationale being called the initial hypothesis

 

[BeanAnimal]

they do exactly this and sell it as a "soil conditioner" for plant use
Fish S h ! t Soil Conditioner
Irts literally the waste from a tilapia farm bottled and sold to people.

I mean talk about finding a way to sell off your waste products for profits.

I have no problem with this - it is a recycled waste fertilizer and soil amendment, at the least they are honest about what it is.

The issue here is overly broad labeling and beneficial claims that can't be verified or examined, as we have no idea what is in the bottle.

Oddly (or not) - the bulk of the hobby just pops the top and dumps it in.