Any advancements on a Reef Safe Ich and Velvet Treatment?

[AetherealKnight]

Well the title says it all. Has the industry's made a reef safe treatment for ich and velvet yet?

Not that I have any problems rn, (knock on wood) but if ever get something in my display tank, it’s going to be an absolute pain to capture all my fish and stuff them in a quarantine tank and let them sit there for 76 days before I can return them.

I noticed ruby rally pro a very long time ago but I kinda dismissed it as an ineffective treatment compare to cupramine. Can it actually treat velvet and itch in a display? Or does it just provide temporary relief?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Well the title says it all. Has the industry's made a reef safe treatment for ich and velvet yet?

Not that I have any problems rn, (knock on wood) but if ever get something in my display tank, it’s going to be an absolute pain to capture all my fish and stuff them in a quarantine tank and let them sit there for 76 days before I can return them.

I noticed ruby rally pro a very long time ago but I kinda dismissed it as an ineffective treatment compare to cupramine. Can it actually treat velvet and itch in a display? Or does it just provide temporary relief?

Nope - there are a LOT of "snake oil" remedies out there. Remember, there is NO oversight for fish medications for home aquariums. Any company can sell a "reef safe" product with no proof as to if it actually works or not. Ich can sometimes be "managed" if you catch it early enough. True velvet is different - by the time you see symptoms, it is too late to try any reef safe "cures".

 

[AetherealKnight]

Nope - there is a LOT of "snake oil" remedies out there. Remember, there is NO oversight for fish medications for home aquariums. Any company can sell a "reef safe" product with no oversight as to if it actually works or not. Ich can sometimes be "managed" if you catch it early enough. True velvet is different - by the time you see symptoms, it is too late to try any reef safe "cures".

Darn, i just hope one day someone creates an actual effective treatment that is safe for our tanks. It would make this hobby a lot easier

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Darn, i just hope one day someone creates an actual effective treatment that is safe for our tanks. It would make this hobby a lot easier

The core issue is that to kill the typical protozoan and metazoan fish parasites, it requires chemicals that will also harm other invertebrates (corals, etc.).

 

[ReefOC]

Nope - there are a LOT of "snake oil" remedies out there. Remember, there is NO oversight for fish medications for home aquariums. Any company can sell a "reef safe" product with no proof as to if it actually works or not. Ich can sometimes be "managed" if you catch it early enough. True velvet is different - by the time you see symptoms, it is too late to try any reef safe "cures".

Jay how do you feel about the Humble.fish hydrogen peroxide method of disease management?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Jay how do you feel about the Humble.fish hydrogen peroxide method of disease management?

Peroxide has some uses, and there have been some papers on its use at higher concentrations for disease control.

However, the use of any oxidizer requires careful measurement if dosing multiple times. The reason is that initially, the oxidizer will react on one type of organic, but then, after those are oxidized, the peroxide begins reacting with other materials. This dynamic change must be monitored because at some point, the tank inhabitants will be harmed.

Here is some bench testing that I did on testing and using peroxide:

Hydrogen Peroxide Bench-testing

Bench testing of the effects of hydrogen peroxide in aquariums.

www.reef2reef.com

 

[ReefOC]

Peroxide has some uses, and there have been some papers on its use at higher concentrations for disease control.

However, the use of any oxidizer requires careful measurement if dosing multiple times. The reason is that initially, the oxidizer will react on one type of organic, but then, after those are oxidized, the peroxide begins reacting with other materials. This dynamic change must be monitored because at some point, the tank inhabitants will be harmed.

Here is some bench testing that I did on testing and using peroxide:

Hydrogen Peroxide Bench-testing

Bench testing of the effects of hydrogen peroxide in aquariums.

www.reef2reef.com

Wow, this is so very scientific now. Almost seems impossible that we haven't figured out how to do all these things automatically now. Thank you for clearing that up for me!