Ammonium Chloride and oxidizer (KMnO4), to grow corals, less water changes, and very low organo-phosphates

[Len Randal]

what is the dilution rate for the ammonium chloride..amount diluted per liter..thanks

The "Dilution Rate",for ammonium chloride that we use is 1 to 3 ml/ 100 gallons aquarium of a 30 gram / liter Ammonium chloride. Once per week to once per day; depending , of course, on need. This can also, be used for nitrogen "need" in a freshwater planted tank.

 

[Len Randal]

what is the dilution rate for the ammonium chloride..amount diluted per liter..thanks

The dilution rate that we use is 1 to 3 ml per 100 gallons aquarium of a 30 gram/ liter solution per week or per day depending, of course, on the NEED .

 

[Len Randal]

How much KMnO4 is being added per day? How many mg per gallon or liter?

1-3 drops per 10 gallons aquarium water of a 45 milligrams per liter solution. As needed, and as far upstream from the invertebrates (Corals) as possible.

 

[Mathajas]

The following was only slightly discussed back in I think 2015, while what was then discussed mostly was to help grow corals. However, now after years of not being able to keep organo- phosphate down and not being able to keep it down consistently without starving fish, smothering green micro-algae, expensive "so-called" phosphate chemical removers and special equipment, we have some Great news to share!!!PHOSPHATES??? Grow it out with Ammonium chloride!!! This is the same ammonium chloride (NH4Cl) used to start cycling fresh and/or marine aquariums ., but at a different concentration , added daily!!! Now the story: Up until six (6) months ago all of our four (4) main reef aquariums (+/-)110 gallons, where we had half dead corals (Acroporas , Montiporas, other sps and some soft ), were covered with THICK green algae and cyanobacteria, etc. And , we could not in 53 plus years ever seem to grow pink coralline algae. The only very short time that we could ever even start to grow coralline was when the aquarium was relatively new (1st 6 months or less), starved the fish, many dollars worth of phosphate re-moving pads, granules, etc. ,and unending work with constant water changes (Sound familiar??). Then, 6 months ago, after thinking about a sentence that Julian Sprung had written in " The Reef aquarium ".. "The concentration of ammonium (nitrogen) out over a Real live coral reef is very low " !!!!And phosphates are low enough to allow corals and coralline algae to prosper! The nitrogen in ammonium along with phosphates (Phosphorus) and potassium (K)form the three (3) main plant nutrients (N_P_K) for all plants be it cotton, soy beans, amazon swords, zooxanthellate (coral micro-algae), chaetomorpha (a macro-algae), etc. Now, however, we add ammonium chloride daily and all un-wanted hairy algae, etc. have nearly totally disappeared and the pink coralline grows abundantly , as do the acroporas , clams, and all other corals. The corals can make their own amino acids now that they have the raw materials to do so ! We grow macro-algaes (Chaetomorpha, Rhodophyta dragons tongue ) at a very fast rate ( with fairly bright light ) , out competing the green micro-algaes for phosphate, and all reef tanks look like real coralline encrusted reef rock! And, now we can really feed our fish, etc, plenty of food without resulting in slow death to especially sps corals. All of our customers are reporting the same results!... If you would like more information you can Google the phone number of Marine World Tropical Fish in Hot Springs, AR ..... So PHOSPHATES,??? Just "grow "them out of the way with ammonium chloride!!..... Addendum #1 to the above: The "phosphate" that gives the most trouble (Organo-phosphate), of course, comes from feeding animals (fish, etc.) in a closed system (aquarium), , however, most " "phosphate test kits) only test for " Inorganic-phosphates"!!! Inorganic-phosphates can "test" nearly zero (0), and yet the micro-algae and dead acroporas (etc.) still persist!!! Now, we use ammonium chloride to "UP" the Nitrogen ( corals, clams, etc. would rather use ammonium , than nitrate if they could have their choice).Now the macro-algaes (Chaetomorpha, etc.) can grow rapidly "without " cycle dying" ", and undoubtly bring the "Organo-phosphates) way, way down to the point where the pink and purple coralline algaes grow constantly. That's why I like to say that the best "test kit" for low phosphates is whether or not the coralline is growing!!!!...Addendum #2 : Something else that might help most of us who do NOT like changing large volumes of water and it really enhances the amount of skim mate in the cup of our "Protein Skimmers"; is to use a little daily of an oxidizer known as KMnO4 (Potassium permanganate) !!.A person could also use Ozone, but the ozone generator and regulating equipment might hit the wallet kind of hard. We use a small amount daily of KMnO4 , it helps greatly to oxidize and lower the overall amount of organic compounds that come from feeding animals (fish, etc.); then the oxidized organics can "attach" themselves to the tiny air bubbles in a protein skimmer , resulting in much more dark skim mate ; there by really cleaning the water (some people (including us) employ an ORP meter to keep a check on the water " oxidation-reduction -potential" conditions , with +- 400 being excellent , indicating very low organics. In addition to the relatively unseen organic compounds are the Results of high organics (Cyanobacteria, i.e. that ARE seen),to which KmnO4 oxidizes the "Feed" (organics) that feeds the Cyanobacteria, there by "starving" it of nutrients and then it gradually fades away! . !!! KENT Marine Co. use to bottle a product called Polyox, (KMnO4), but it seems to be out of production now. We make our own solution of KMnO4 , that we use and sell. .... Addendum #3::: Ammonium vs. AMMONIA??? Several people have inquired , if it is Ammonia that I'm writing about to use in a reef tank.... Answer: NO!!!. It is AMMONIUM that is relatively non-Toxic especially in the relatively small ppm. dose that we use at a common Reef aquarium pH of 8.3. Ammonia can occur (+- 10 % ) but the pH would have to be increased to a much higher pH than 8.3 . Relatively Non-toxic Ammonium and very toxic Ammonia are pH dependent, so just keep the pH at 8.3 and all should be well. Call me at Marine World, Hot Springs ,AR if I can be of any further help...... Addendum #4: Someone just ask a question about their corals closing up after dosing, and then reopening later? I too , have also had corals to close , especially after adding too much KMno4, so I then take the hint and start using half doses or less from that time forward . Also, I try to squirt the very dose KMnO4
into the polyester detritus socks or in front of the polyester filter (HOB) cartridges, or even into the throat of the protein skimmer , so that the KMno4 has plenty of time to dissipate , before it can get to the corals.

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The following was only slightly discussed back in, I think, 2015, while what was then discussed mostly was to help grow corals. However, now, after years of not being able to keep organo-phosphate down and not being able to keep it down consistently without starving fish, smothering green micro-algae, expensive "so-called" phosphate chemical removers, and special equipment, we have some great news to share!

PHOSPHATES??? Grow them out with Ammonium Chloride!!!

This is the same ammonium chloride (NH4Cl) used to start cycling fresh and/or marine aquariums, but at a different concentration, added daily!

Now, the story:

Up until six (6) months ago, all of our four (4) main reef aquariums (+/-)110 gallons, where we had half-dead corals (Acroporas, Montiporas, other SPS, and some soft), were covered with thick green algae and cyanobacteria, etc. And, we could not in 53-plus years ever seem to grow pink coralline algae. The only very short time that we could ever even start to grow coralline was when the aquarium was relatively new (first 6 months or less), starved the fish, spent many dollars on phosphate-removing pads, granules, etc., and did unending work with constant water changes (sound familiar?).

Then, six months ago, after thinking about a sentence that Julian Sprung had written in "The Reef Aquarium"… "The concentration of ammonium (nitrogen) out over a real live coral reef is very low!" And phosphates are low enough to allow corals and coralline algae to prosper! The nitrogen in ammonium along with phosphates (phosphorus) and potassium (K) form the three (3) main plant nutrients (N-P-K) for all plants, be it cotton, soybeans, Amazon swords, zooxanthellae (coral micro-algae), chaetomorpha (a macro-algae), etc.

Now, however, we add ammonium chloride daily, and all unwanted hairy algae, etc. have nearly totally disappeared. The pink coralline grows abundantly, as do the Acroporas, clams, and all other corals. The corals can make their own amino acids now that they have the raw materials to do so! We grow macro-algaes (Chaetomorpha, Rhodophyta dragon’s tongue) at a very fast rate (with fairly bright light), out-competing the green micro-algaes for phosphate, and all reef tanks look like real coralline-encrusted reef rock! Now we can really feed our fish plenty of food without resulting in the slow death of especially SPS corals. All of our customers are reporting the same results!

If you would like more information, you can Google the phone number of Marine World Tropical Fish in Hot Springs, AR.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

More readable formating

The following was only slightly discussed back in, I think, 2015, while what was then discussed mostly was to help grow corals. However, now, after years of not being able to keep organo-phosphate down and not being able to keep it down consistently without starving fish, smothering green micro-algae, expensive "so-called" phosphate chemical removers, and special equipment, we have some great news to share!

PHOSPHATES??? Grow them out with Ammonium Chloride!!!

This is the same ammonium chloride (NH4Cl) used to start cycling fresh and/or marine aquariums, but at a different concentration, added daily!

Now, the story:

Up until six (6) months ago, all of our four (4) main reef aquariums (+/-)110 gallons, where we had half-dead corals (Acroporas, Montiporas, other SPS, and some soft), were covered with thick green algae and cyanobacteria, etc. And, we could not in 53-plus years ever seem to grow pink coralline algae. The only very short time that we could ever even start to grow coralline was when the aquarium was relatively new (first 6 months or less), starved the fish, spent many dollars on phosphate-removing pads, granules, etc., and did unending work with constant water changes (sound familiar?).

Then, six months ago, after thinking about a sentence that Julian Sprung had written in "The Reef Aquarium"… "The concentration of ammonium (nitrogen) out over a real live coral reef is very low!" And phosphates are low enough to allow corals and coralline algae to prosper! The nitrogen in ammonium along with phosphates (phosphorus) and potassium (K) form the three (3) main plant nutrients (N-P-K) for all plants, be it cotton, soybeans, Amazon swords, zooxanthellae (coral micro-algae), chaetomorpha (a macro-algae), etc.

Now, however, we add ammonium chloride daily, and all unwanted hairy algae, etc. have nearly totally disappeared. The pink coralline grows abundantly, as do the Acroporas, clams, and all other corals. The corals can make their own amino acids now that they have the raw materials to do so! We grow macro-algaes (Chaetomorpha, Rhodophyta dragon’s tongue) at a very fast rate (with fairly bright light), out-competing the green micro-algaes for phosphate, and all reef tanks look like real coralline-encrusted reef rock! Now we can really feed our fish plenty of food without resulting in the slow death of especially SPS corals. All of our customers are reporting the same results!

If you would like more information, you can Google the phone number of Marine World Tropical Fish in Hot Springs, AR.

FWIW, I have recipe threads for folks wanting to dose ammonia. I recommend food grade ammonium bicarbonate as the best option for most folks.