907 Tank & Stand Build - 55 Gallon

[907_Reefer]

PJ Cardinal 1

 

[907_Reefer]

PJ Cardinal 2

 

[Projects with Sam]

Their breathing doesn't seem labored. Clown's looked a little fast.

 

[fishguy242]

start a thread in disease forum, use the videos there

 

[Fish Styx]

Well, not a great weekend on the reef here - trying to figure out what is going on..

Yesterday, found our new white tail DOA in the AM. She was been with us for 5 weeks and eating up to the night prior.

Today, found our royal gramma DOA in the AM. She was with us for 16 months didn't show any signs of issues that I could tell.

All other inhabitants seem fine, swimming, eating, no obvious signs of stress, markings etc. 2 clowns, 3 PJ cardinals, melanurus wrasse, lawnmower blenny, yellow watchman goby and pistol shrimp. Snails are actively laying eggs on the glass.

Ran some testing and currently prepping for a 10 gal, ~25% water change. RS is from the Red Sea kit, H for Hanna testers.

Nitrates are high, phos are super high, dKh is up from its typical 8.5-9 to 9.9. I only ran these once, will do again 24/48 after the WC.

Stress from the white tail addition in here?

Elevated nitrates for some time causing issues due to heavy feeding?

I've been changing 5 gal, ~12% weekly..

I suppose I probably should have gotten completely caught up before jumping in to say, "hello" earlier. So sorry for these losses, man. This sucks. Get a thread started in the disease forum. Good news is that, regardless of the parasite, the treatment is largely the same. Sounds like you're doing all the right things, regardless. Sending lots of good vibes your way.

 

[907_Reefer]

I suppose I probably should have gotten completely caught up before jumping in to say, "hello" earlier. So sorry for these losses, man. This sucks. Get a thread started in the disease forum. Good news is that, regardless of the parasite, the treatment is largely the same. Sounds like you're doing all the right things, regardless. Sending lots of good vibes your way.

No worries brother and thanks for the vibes! I have some catching up to do on all you got going on as well.. vibes back at ya!

I'm getting my details organized for a disease forum post also, sounds like a good idea there yall.

Quick update here, QT tank is running, 3 cardinals were super slow and easy to catch and got a ~3 min FW dip w/RO @78. From my vibes I wanted to ramp up copper, started at 3 ml and up to 5 now. Maybe too safe? Dosage for 10g is 12.5 ml, per the label.

Cardinal #1 above was hurting pretty good when removed, swimming sideways for a bit, did not make it. Other 2 looking OK in QT now.

Clown got a good sized second wind before I started pulling the cardinals, tried to snag him for a bit later but he played hard ball and remains in the DT for now, giving him a second chance at the moment..

 

[Projects with Sam]

No worries brother and thanks for the vibes! I have some catching up to do on all you got going on as well.. vibes back at ya!

I'm getting my details organized for a disease forum post also, sounds like a good idea there yall.

Quick update here, QT tank is running, 3 cardinals were super slow and easy to catch and got a ~3 min FW dip w/RO @78. From my vibes I wanted to ramp up copper, started at 3 ml and up to 5 now. Maybe too safe? Dosage for 10g is 12.5 ml, per the label.

Cardinal #1 above was hurting pretty good when removed, swimming sideways for a bit, did not make it. Other 2 looking OK in QT now.

Clown got a good sized second wind before I started pulling the cardinals, tried to snag him for a bit later but he played hard ball and remains in the DT for now, giving him a second chance at the moment..

sorry for the cardinal. agreed. so far I think you're doing everything by the book.

 

[fishguy242]

sorry jmo, qt & DT are too close together, once all fish out of DT going fallow 60-72 days imo ,
gotta be real careful not to cross contaminate

 

[907_Reefer]

sorry jmo, qt & DT are too close together, once all fish out of DT going fallow 60-72 days imo ,
gotta be real careful not to cross contaminate

Don't apologize to me sir! I'm like the intern's intern's intern here..

I'm starting to plan for the longer term QT tank now the more I read about fallow (sigh). I hadn't even thought about distance from DT yet..

But, the wife will definitely approve of less tanks in the kitchen though lol..

I was at Petco today picking up this 10g quick and watched someone buy the last 40g breeder they had.. d'oh

 

[rmorris_14]

Personally I wouldn’t wait on getting the clown in that qt. And get to full doseage asap. Jay says something like once fully dosed, copper can take 3 days to start to slow down and treat the desease. Your clown might not have that much time since it is already showing symptoms x he has says there is no reason to ramp up slow. That is old advice. You should get to full dosage within a day or two. Search copper and his screen name and you will come across a lot of posts about this advice.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Not sure if a thread got started in the disease forum yet, but this appears to be what I call “stale ich”. I had another forum make fun of me for calling it that, so I need to call it something else - but essentially, this is what fish look like when they have had ich for a long period (stale).
The fish are not breathing as fast as they would with velvet, and them dying over days both point to ich.

Jay

 

[Fish Styx]

Not sure if a thread got started in the disease forum yet, but this appears to be what I call “stale ich”. I had another forum make fun of me for calling it that, so I need to call it something else - but essentially, this is what fish look like when they have had ich for a long period (stale).
The fish are not breathing as fast as they would with velvet, and them dying over days both point to ich.

Jay

How about "stagnant"?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

How about "stagnant"?

Both those words imply that the process is not developing further, and that is not the case, this happens right before the fish start to die. I considered using "end stage".....

Jay

 

[Fish Styx]

Both those words imply that the process is not developing further, and that is not the case, this happens right before the fish start to die. I considered using "end stage".....

Jay

"Terminal". Final offer. lol

Seriously though, Jay. Unless the person or persons roasting you have dedicated as much of their lives to the betterment of this hobby as you have, I wouldn't put much stock in it. In fact, I would respond by dedicating my life to discovering, and subsequently naming, a sexually transmitted disease after them. But I'm a petty person, so...

 

[Mhamilton0911]

I'd prefer ich over velvet any day though, so at least there's that.

I'm rooting for you @907_Reefer

 

[MrsBugmaster]

sorry jmo, qt & DT are too close together,

Sorry you are going through this. I think it is said that qt tank needs to be at least 10 feet away from DT due to aerosol spray contamination

 

[Fish Styx]

How're we looking this morning, bud?

 

[907_Reefer]

Not sure if a thread got started in the disease forum yet, but this appears to be what I call “stale ich”. I had another forum make fun of me for calling it that, so I need to call it something else - but essentially, this is what fish look like when they have had ich for a long period (stale).
The fish are not breathing as fast as they would with velvet, and them dying over days both point to ich.

Jay

Thanks Jay! I have been gathering pics and notes for the disease forum but haven't posted yet - later today. Will tag you, appreciate all your inputs sir!

What do you consider a "long period" for ich? I'm mostly curious due to the odd timing with the White Tail introduction. 5 weeks, I didn't see any issues, then dead in the AM with the gramma next day, cardinals / clown showing signs a few days later.

..I have more research to do..

Appreciate yall!

 

[907_Reefer]

How're we looking this morning, bud?

Morning Styx! Still dark here (in tank and sun rise not until 9:15 AKDT).. But, cardinals are swimming, as are both clowns. Wrasse, Lawnmower, YWG hide until light.

Have a FW RO bath warm by the tank and looking to scoop up the clown asap, would like to get him moved to the copper while it is still at 5 but I think yall agree it might be better to up copper for the cardinals early today regardless of my clown moonlight fishing successes.

I have an engagement this morning so unfortunately have to leave the tank for a few hours, looking to document and get a disease forum post up with all details later today..

Was trying to carve a dang pumpkin this weekend! Bah.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Thanks Jay! I have been gathering pics and notes for the disease forum but haven't posted yet - later today. Will tag you, appreciate all your inputs sir!

What do you consider a "long period" for ich? I'm mostly curious due to the odd timing with the White Tail introduction. 5 weeks, I didn't see any issues, then dead in the AM with the gramma next day, cardinals / clown showing signs a few days later.

..I have more research to do..

Appreciate yall!

So that is the one issue with this case - end stage ich is preceded by 5 to 10 days of the fish having spots. While it is not impossible for people to miss those spots, it is pretty rare if you are watching the fish closely.

Velvet comes on much faster, but the usual symptom is just the fish not eating and very rapid breathing.

Jay