SPS and LPS RTN/STN HELP!!!

[NewCaliCaptives]

I’m having some really weird stn issues going in in my tank. It’s a 10 gallon and has been going good for a couple weeks i’ve been having some really bad tissue loss on some sps and some lps that i have no idea what it is or what to do to treat.

1.025 sg
P04 0.00 (hanna phosphate ULR)
NO3 8.0
Alk 8.8
Mag 1395
Cal 394

It all started when I added some acros from WWC from another tank we have that started RTNing and I figured the tank was just too young so i put them in here. They started doing better and then it all reversed and now one is almost completely bleached out (started at base), another is beginning to bleach at the tips, a tubbs stellata hasn’t been bleaching but growing algae on it, red monti cap starting to bleach on ridges, bigger green acro bleaching at tips (started 2 days ago). Also a lepto frag is bleaching on the ridges and my chalice bleaching which looks to have 2 flatworms on it that i haven’t seen on any other coral.

I also tested 0.15ppm copper in the water a few days ago so i did a wc and added a bag of cuprisorb. The problem still seems to be getting worse.

I sent in an ICP-MS test on both the tanks water and freshly mixed saltwater hopefully they come back soon.

Here are pictures. I also FW dipped for 10 seconds the 2 worst looking frags and here is what came off of them, if anyone can ID anything in all that? Please help im at a loss of what to do here.

 

[Flippersflippinooah]

The PO4 level... is that where it normally is?

 

[Stephen Glover]

how mature are the tanks in question?

 

[NewCaliCaptives]

The PO4 level... is that where it normally is?

Im using a phosphate ULR Hanna and it has always read 0.01

 

[NewCaliCaptives]

how mature are the tanks in question?

the tank in question is 3 years old, the one that i moved 3 of the frags over from is just a couple months.

 

[sdreef]

What is the source of the copper? I would advise against fresh water dips.

 

[NewCaliCaptives]

What is the source of the copper? I would advise against fresh water dips.

honestly i’m not sure. I had 2 dry side magnets submerged in the back chamber (it’s an AIO) so the power head i moved to the side and the other one i couldn’t move so i double ziplock bagged it for now. I’m just at a loss at what this could be, i’m assuming copper didn’t help but it also doesn’t seem to be the only issue.

 

[AC indochinese]

I’m having some really weird stn issues going in in my tank. It’s a 10 gallon and has been going good for a couple weeks i’ve been having some really bad tissue loss on some sps and some lps that i have no idea what it is or what to do to treat.

1.025 sg
P04 0.00 (hanna phosphate ULR)
NO3 8.0
Alk 8.8
Mag 1395
Cal 394

It all started when I added some acros from WWC from another tank we have that started RTNing and I figured the tank was just too young so i put them in here. They started doing better and then it all reversed and now one is almost completely bleached out (started at base), another is beginning to bleach at the tips, a tubbs stellata hasn’t been bleaching but growing algae on it, red monti cap starting to bleach on ridges, bigger green acro bleaching at tips (started 2 days ago). Also a lepto frag is bleaching on the ridges and my chalice bleaching which looks to have 2 flatworms on it that i haven’t seen on any other coral.

I also tested 0.15ppm copper in the water a few days ago so i did a wc and added a bag of cuprisorb. The problem still seems to be getting worse.

I sent in an ICP-MS test on both the tanks water and freshly mixed saltwater hopefully they come back soon.

Here are pictures. I also FW dipped for 10 seconds the 2 worst looking frags and here is what came off of them, if anyone can ID anything in all that? Please help im at a loss of what to do here.

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could it possibly be bacterial infection from the frags?

 

[NewCaliCaptives]

could it possibly be bacterial infection from the frags?

i really hope not. I do have cipro though…

 

[AC indochinese]

i really hope not. I do have cipro though…

maybe try with some coral dip first? Might help

 

[Sabellafella]

I’m having some really weird stn issues going in in my tank. It’s a 10 gallon and has been going good for a couple weeks i’ve been having some really bad tissue loss on some sps and some lps that i have no idea what it is or what to do to treat.

1.025 sg
P04 0.00 (hanna phosphate ULR)
NO3 8.0
Alk 8.8
Mag 1395
Cal 394

It all started when I added some acros from WWC from another tank we have that started RTNing and I figured the tank was just too young so i put them in here. They started doing better and then it all reversed and now one is almost completely bleached out (started at base), another is beginning to bleach at the tips, a tubbs stellata hasn’t been bleaching but growing algae on it, red monti cap starting to bleach on ridges, bigger green acro bleaching at tips (started 2 days ago). Also a lepto frag is bleaching on the ridges and my chalice bleaching which looks to have 2 flatworms on it that i haven’t seen on any other coral.

I also tested 0.15ppm copper in the water a few days ago so i did a wc and added a bag of cuprisorb. The problem still seems to be getting worse.

I sent in an ICP-MS test on both the tanks water and freshly mixed saltwater hopefully they come back soon.

Here are pictures. I also FW dipped for 10 seconds the 2 worst looking frags and here is what came off of them, if anyone can ID anything in all that? Please help im at a loss of what to do here.

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Definitely a huge swing in alk. Would be suprised how much a few frags can change consumption.

This either looks to be an alk or salinity issue

 

[NewCaliCaptives]

Definitely a huge swing in alk. Would be suprised how much a few frags can change consumption.

This either looks to be an alk or salinity issue

I’m dosing ESV 2 part and haven’t had any alk swings lately. Stays around 8.6-8.7 then after my WC yesterday went to 8.8. Salinity too, and I even checked calibration on the refractometer.

 

[NewCaliCaptives]

maybe try with some coral dip first? Might help?

What would you recommend using? All i have is coral rx and that doesn’t seem to be helping.

 

[Fishy888]

Im using a phosphate ULR Hanna and it has always read 0.01

I would keep PO4 between 0.05 and 0.1 ppm. Also I’d get calcium up between 400 ppm and 470 ppm.

 

[Fishy888]

What salt are you using ?

 

[Pistondog]

If bacterial, some might try this

RTN & STN Reeftank Treatment

Easy Reefing, Trace Elements, Coral growth, Coral coloration, Acropora, Reeftank, Reefing, Beautiful Saltwater Tank, Andre Mueller, Reef Moonshiner, Tissue Necrosis, RTN prevention, STN prevention, Reef Maintenance, Cheap Trace Elements, Trace Element Dosing, Rubidium, Vanadium, Liquimud...

www.reefmoonshiners.com

 

[NewCaliCaptives]

What salt are you using ?

okay i will try to raise calcium by dosing a little more part B each day. I’m using the ESV Seawater system for salt.

 

[NewCaliCaptives]

If bacterial, some might try this

RTN & STN Reeftank Treatment

Easy Reefing, Trace Elements, Coral growth, Coral coloration, Acropora, Reeftank, Reefing, Beautiful Saltwater Tank, Andre Mueller, Reef Moonshiner, Tissue Necrosis, RTN prevention, STN prevention, Reef Maintenance, Cheap Trace Elements, Trace Element Dosing, Rubidium, Vanadium, Liquimud...

www.reefmoonshiners.com

Awesome thanks for that!

 

[sdreef]

This is a 10 gallon tank that will be very susceptible to changes in water chemistry. Also, many different species affected.

With that said, am I understanding correctly. No issues with the corals in this tank for three years until the past two weeks. Were these corals in this system or the newer system when they started having issues.

You need to identify the source of the copper and that needs to be removed. I agree with the water change and cuprisorb.

Dipping will likely only stress the corals further. Given that the acros, Montis and chalices all started having issues around the same time a couple weeks ago, I'm leaning toward chemistry being the culprit and less likely to be a bacterial or biological source simultaneously affecting the corals from the various genuses at once in a short time.

 

[Dburr1014]

I’m having some really weird stn issues going in in my tank. It’s a 10 gallon and has been going good for a couple weeks i’ve been having some really bad tissue loss on some sps and some lps that i have no idea what it is or what to do to treat.

1.025 sg
P04 0.00 (hanna phosphate ULR)
NO3 8.0
Alk 8.8
Mag 1395
Cal 394

It all started when I added some acros from WWC from another tank we have that started RTNing and I figured the tank was just too young so i put them in here. They started doing better and then it all reversed and now one is almost completely bleached out (started at base), another is beginning to bleach at the tips, a tubbs stellata hasn’t been bleaching but growing algae on it, red monti cap starting to bleach on ridges, bigger green acro bleaching at tips (started 2 days ago). Also a lepto frag is bleaching on the ridges and my chalice bleaching which looks to have 2 flatworms on it that i haven’t seen on any other coral.

I also tested 0.15ppm copper in the water a few days ago so i did a wc and added a bag of cuprisorb. The problem still seems to be getting worse.

I sent in an ICP-MS test on both the tanks water and freshly mixed saltwater hopefully they come back soon.

Here are pictures. I also FW dipped for 10 seconds the 2 worst looking frags and here is what came off of them, if anyone can ID anything in all that? Please help im at a loss of what to do here.

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0 or even 0.01 po4 is no good. Coral are starving.

Wait, what? You fresh water dipped them? You mean fresh salt water? If it's rodi or tap, just throw them away. They're dead.