Sebae anemone with a torn foot, can I do anything?

[The new fish on the block]

Hey guys, need some advice.

I have a sebae that was purchased last Sunday, it was doing great and I wasn’t bleached and had been in the stores tank for a few weeks,which is the main reason I bought it. Anyways, I noticed my hermit crabs by it but never thought anything of it until upon further inspection, I noticed small tears in the foot, keep in mind the anemones foot had no visible tears when I bought it. Fast forward to now the anemone has tears on the foot and on the area near its mouth and I can see mesenterial filaments showing out of the tears.

What is my best course of action? I am able to get ahold of kanaplex and Furan-2, which I know might not be as effective as Cipro, but should still work base on my research? If i even need to treat. ?

Parmeters:

Salinity: 1.024

Nitrate: 0.00

Phosphate:0.00

pH: around 8

I will be able to get the rest of the parameters when I get home.

 

[AlyciaMarie]

Do you have any pictures?

 

[exnisstech]

I've not kept sebae, but none of the ones I have kept, haddoni, long tentacle and bubble tip did well with zero N and P. I kept my salinity a bit higher as well 1.025 - 1. 026.
Agree with above. Folks will probably need images under white lights to assist.

 

[The new fish on the block]

Do you have any pictures?

I've not kept sebae, but none of the ones I have kept, haddoni, long tentacle and bubble tip did well with zero N and P. I kept my salinity a bit higher as well 1.025 - 1. 026.
Agree with above. Folks will probably need images under white lights to assist.

I did not think of that, sorry, I’m currently at work. I should be able to get some pictures after 4. I will update yall then!

 

[The new fish on the block]

I've not kept sebae, but none of the ones I have kept, haddoni, long tentacle and bubble tip did well with zero N and P. I kept my salinity a bit higher as well 1.025 - 1. 026.
Agree with above. Folks will probably need images under white lights to assist.

Do you have any pictures?

Alrighty, I just finished testing and have included a picture of the test results and pictures of the nem, most of the worst tears are on the foot and some of them are on the oral disk are hard to see, if needed I can point them out. As of now the nem has mostly closed its mouth.

 

[KrisReef]

If something is eating the nem you need to get seperate them all first.

I have always thought that torn nems are gonners, but have had a couple recently that had holes and exposed guts that got well and survived just by keeping them in good water and light and letting nature take its course. These were bubble tip clones with damages, but I think that it should apply to other species. Good parameters, good water flow, good light, good luck.

 

[The new fish on the block]

Thank you for the reply! I do have it separated in a basket away from everything . So far it’s hanging in there! I have ordered some Cipro and it should be here in a few days just in case. Other than that, what you have suggested is exactly what I have been doing.

 

[exnisstech]

Maybe @OrionN can take a look?

 

[KrisReef]

Thank you for the reply! I do have it separated in a basket away from everything . So far it’s hanging in there! I have ordered some Cipro and it should be here in a few days just in case. Other than that, what you have suggested is exactly what I have been doing.

I have used Cipro in my dt. IF I was going to treat a nem I might do that in a bucket, and let it soak vs the entire tank. I was treating LPS/melting. I chose not to Cipro the tank, but I do have a portable UV that I might use if I thought the tank was too "dirty."

 

[The new fish on the block]

I have used Cipro in my dt. IF I was going to treat a nem I might do that in a bucket, and let it soak vs the entire tank. I was treating LPS/melting. I chose not to Cipro the tank, but I do have a portable UV that I might use if I thought the tank was too "dirty."

Yes, my plan is to treat separately.

 

[KrisReef]

Yes, my plan is to treat separately.

One of my bubbletips got itself wrapped around a powerhead. It was holding on and kept itself from getting ground into pieces. The one before it hadn't been so lucky, and those pieces went into the trash can. But this one, looked turned inside out and kinda mangled and the tentacles all retracted and stubby. I have a sump in the garage with a pair of Tomato clowns in it. I tossed the twisted bubbletip into the sump and it drifted towards the powerhead in that sump also. Before it met the second one I through it onto the clowns rock and it fell behind into the abyss and I didn't see it for a week or two. Lately it has been hanging out near the top of the rock with the clowns tending and it is trying to catch light (its a fairly dark system) but slowly acclimating to its new digs. And alive, wanting to thrive. These are fairly tough creatures but they need good water and a tending crew is also very helpful.

Keep us posted.

 

[The new fish on the block]

@KrisReef I am really hoping mine will share the same fate, it's honestly the healthiest looking Sebae I have come across.

 

[The new fish on the block]

@OrionN sorry to tag you again, I was reading through your sticky and I believe I saw were you have treated heteractis crispa before with Cipro, have you ever seen one heal with a torn foot? Is this something that would warrant a Cipro treatment? Or should I wait and see if it worsens before I start treatment?

 

[The new fish on the block]

Heres an update on the nem tonight:

It looks to be hanging in there!

I took a time lapse tonight to see how active it was and I was pleasantly surprised. It seems to be trying to eat. In the video it seems to be moving a piece of mysis towards its mouth. Which is a good sign I believe.

Throughout the day I have been monitoring it with a WiFi camera, it went through a few inflation/ deflation cycles which is a bit concerning, but it looks like we are moving in the right direction.

My Cipro should be in tomorrow, still debating on whether or not I should treat when I get it or wait and see if things get

 

[The new fish on the block]

Another update for anyone still following along:

The Sebae is still hangin' in there!

This would not be without some human intervention of course.

Here is what I have done so far in timeline format:

Thursday - Cipro arrived, and the nem was looking like it may be starting to go down hill. I was advised to do an iodine dip by a one of the group members of another group on FB (Anemone Keepers).

I was unfortunately unable to get a pic of it in this state, however it was pretty deflated and did not look happy at all.

I used the dip ratio that had been mentioned by another member, it consists of the following:

• 4c tank water
• 1/4 tsp simple syrup (yep, the stuff you put in cocktails) made from a 1:1 ratio of sugar and boiled water.
• 10 drops of iodine (I used Seachem's Reef Dip in my case however Lugol's was what was recommended)

* the simple syrup is something that was mentioned by the late Bob Fenner, and from my understanding

I let the nem sit in this dip for ten minutes then placed it back in the tank.


Friday- the nem looked so much better than the day before. It was inflated and actually showed a feeding response to a fish food pellet. Other than attempting to feed, that about all I did.

Saturday- Nem still seemed to be doing quite well in the morning, it even looked like the foot was starting to heal! When it came to the afternoon however, it had started to deflate... I wasn't too worried about this and I had already planned on doing another dip, so I just went ahead and did it as soon as I noticed it.

I upped the amount of Iodine this time to I think 17 drops. I was going to put enough to tint the water, however I chickened out at the last minute. All other ratios stayed the same.

Sunday- Nem hasn't been looking the greatest today, mouth has been gaping most of the day, and has been expelling its mesenterial filaments . The fight is still not over, however it is a bit disheartening to say the least. It did inflate when I put a single mysyis shrimp close to its mouth and It actually even ate, but it spit it up a few hours later.

While in the middle of typing this, I decided that now would be the best time to start Cipro treatment.

I quickly set up the Qt, added the nem, and dosed the Cipro at 0.125mg/L this dosage is based off of another members thread on treating S. Haddoni nems.

I dissolved a 500mg tablet in 50mL of RODI to create a solution of 10 mg/ml. and dosed .75ml into the quarantine.

I’m going to continue this dose for at least 7 days and see what happens. I will be preforming 100% water changes daily during the process.
Monday- I did not get much of a glimpse at the Ben this morning because it was 5:00a.m. and my lights don’t start ramping up until 7:00a.m. However, then nem seems to have perked back up overnight.

Before first treatment:

This morning:

Will update later.

 

[garygb]

Your diligence is commendable, regardless of the ultimate outcome. You certainly deserve an A+ for effort!

 

[The new fish on the block]

FINAL UPDATE: Well everyone, As much as I would like to say the nem has made a full recovery, unfortunately it has perished.... I am pretty bummed about it to say the least, It was honestly the perfect specimen. I may try again with another (AFTER removing all hermits), possibly a different species, or forego having a nem at all in favor of a toadstool as I see they are pretty well liked by clowns, however there's just something about nems that I seem to be partial to, so who knows.

Anyways, thank you for following along, and I hope that this thread is of use to someone in the future, and that they have a better outcome.

 

[The new fish on the block]

Your diligence is commendable, regardless of the ultimate outcome. You certainly deserve an A+ for effort!

Thanks for the kind words! Definitely not the outcome I was hoping for but it was quite the learning experience, and I have to say I quite enjoyed doing the research.

 

[garygb]

H. crispa is hit or miss. They are definitely not one of the most successfully kept species of host anemone. A BTA (Entacmaea quadricolor) is a much easier species to keep. And clownfish species such as tomatoes, maroons, clarkii, cinnamon clowns are naturally hosted by BTAs. Also skunks are usually sure bets, and often ocellaris or percs will take to them, too. I hope you have a good experience with a anemone/clown combo soon.

 

[The new fish on the block]

H. crispa is hit or miss. They are definitely not one of the most successfully kept species of host anemone. A BTA (Entacmaea quadricolor) is a much easier species to keep. And clownfish species such as tomatoes, maroons, clarkii, cinnamon clowns are naturally hosted by BTAs. Also skunks are usually sure bets, and often ocellaris or percs will take to them, too. I hope you have a good experience with an anemone/clown combo soon.

Yeah, I have thought about getting a BTA, however it’s hard to find one that will stay big and not split into a million tiny clones.

That why I went with H. crispa, since they don’t split and stay towards the bottom of rock work.

I have seen pretty decent things about H. Malu that makes me want to try one, only problem is I haven’t been able to find one that’s not a mislabeled Crispa. I’m going to keep an eye out for one.