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Plastic for the Reef Aquarium, Part 3

So, let's continue on with our discussion of plastics for the reef aquarium, Part 3.

Moving along down our list in the table, the next ones are the polyethylenes.
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Table courtesy of @Seawitch, ©2019, All Rights Reserved.

PE: polyethylene
PET: polyethylene terephthalate
PEX: cross-linked polyethylene


These are pretty safe. Yes, there are some things that they can leach, but that doesn't mean that they actually do, and it also doesn't mean that they leach these things in amounts that would bother our livestock.

So, I looked at one study that looked at whether PET water bottles were leaching antimony into the water. The study took place in Arizona, where hot weather was expected to exacerbate this process. Yes, they did leach antimony but well below the EPA's maximum contaminant level (MCL) of 6ppb. The numbers the researchers were getting were all under 1ppb. Leaching was significantly affected by time and temperature.

Antimony is a catalyst used in the production of PET, so, we can't avoid the presence of it. Are amounts of less than 1ppb a problem for saltwater livestock? I don't know. We don't typically use a lot of PET products in the reef except as a bristleworm trap. So, it's probably very low risk. PET plastic is also used in 3D printing.

I found one study saying the PE and PEX can leach BPA, but I also found a plastics manufacturer saying that BPA is not used in the manufacture of PE. So, go figure. (18) (31)

I, personally, have some PEX pipe in my home, and I see that it's readily available everywhere. PEX I've been told tends to fail over time and should be replaced eventually. It was fashionable in the 1990's but no longer meets code at least where I live in British Columbia, Canada.

Does PEX leach BPA? I don't know. I found at least one reference that says it does, and others that say it doesn't. The truth is there is not a lot of good research on how plastic pipes affect drinking water. There are three different kinds of PEX, Types A, B, and C. Type B seems to have the least amount of controversy regarding leaching. PEX is, however, highly vulnerable to the degrading effects of UV light. Just sayin'.

An ATO tank made by forum member @dantimdad out of acrylic (PMMA).
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PLA: polylactide

PLA is the only plastic that Dr. Randy Holmes-Farley said we shouldn't use, not because it's toxic--which it isn't--but because it will break down over time into pellets. So, I won't spend time on it here. I know that it's used in 3D-printing.

PMMA: polymethyl methacrylate

PMMA is what we call acrylic, and I'm delighted to report that I couldn't find anything bad to say about mysterious chemicals it might be leaching. Sounds very safe for the reef, which is a good thing since lots of folks have tanks made out of it. I'm going to reinsert my table from Part 1 to remind everyone of the great qualities of acrylic.

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Table courtesy of @Seawitch, ©2019, All Rights Reserved.

PP: polypropylene


Next we have polypropylene, and RHF said he believed it to be safe. I did find some references saying it could leach some metals including iron and lead, but how much I don't know. Your buckets are probably made of PP or HDPE. It's commonly found in hard plastic containers like Tupperware.

It's hard, pretty chemical-resistant, rugged, heat-resistant, partially crystalline and cheap. I found one study saying that it did leach metals and another article saying that PP doesn't leach metals.

PS: polystyrene

Yes, PS does appear to leach some nasty things, like benzene and toluene but well under the World Health Organization Guidelines. Of course, those guidelines are written with humans in mind, not shrimp or coral.

I'm not sure what reefers would use PS for. I've heard of frags being mounted on styrofoam, and some people put styrofoam under their tanks. All in all, pretty safe.

A beautiful acrylic (PMMA) display tank.
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PUR: polyurethane

PUR seems to be pretty safe, and I didn't find much in the way of articles saying it was leaching things. There is also a long history of reef aquarists--and freshwater aquarists too--using PUR for lots of applications including PUR foam to create "rock" walls inside the aquarium.

So, I'd say this one is very safe *once it's cured*, although it can break down and flake away over time.

PVC: polyvinyl chloride

And last but not least on my list we have PVC. There's a long list of things that PVC may leach into water, but most people use PVC pipe to plumb large systems, and many people have PVC pipe in their homes. Apparently using brass fitting with PVC pipe may make leaching worse in the presence of chlorinated water.

PVC is everywhere, so I don't want to dwell on what it may or may not be leaching into water. The only thing I'll repeat here is that allowing PVC to offgas before using it may help. PVC is even used in blood-collection bags because it's cheap, tough, pliable, and transparent. In fact, 25% of all hospital plastic including IV bags are made of PVC. That's a sobering thought.

Another way to look at classifying plastics.
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Screenshot courtesy of @Seawitch. Photo comes from a UK government pdf (30). ©2019, All Rights Reserved.

Conclusion

The fact is that plastic is pretty much inescapable. While preparing this article, @ca1ore reminded me that the DI portion of an RO/DI unit contains plastic beads used in the filtering of water.

So, I'm not sure how much further ahead we are by knowing some of the potential problems of using plastic because it would be very difficult or impossible to have a marine aquarium without ever using plastic.

I certainly wonder if something leaching from plastic could be behind some mysterious tank crashes or tank deaths. Perhaps this series of articles will inspire someone to do some experiments at home with plastic and get their saltwater tested by a professional laboratory.

REFERENCES:

(1) https://www.plasticseurope.org/en/about-plastics/what-are-plastics/how-plastics-are-made

(2) https://www.plasticseurope.org/en/about-plastics/what-are-plastics/large-family

(3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic

(4) https://www.acplasticsinc.com/informationcenter/r/acrylic-vs-polycarbonate

(5) https://www.interdynesystems.com/pdf/acrylic_vs_polycarbonate.pdf

(6) https://www.saint-gobain-sekurit.com/glossary/glass-properties

(7) https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27442625

(8) https://www.sciencehistory.org/the-history-and-future-of-plastics

(9) http://plastiquarian.com/?page_id=14228

(10) https://www.iatp.org/sites/default/files/421_2_102202.pdf

(11) https://www.livestrong.com/article/158674-which-plastic-containers-can-i-safely-use/

(12) https://www.ecowatch.com/7-types-of-plastic-wreaking-havoc-on-our-health-1882198584.html

(13) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17707454

(14) http://petresin.org/science_behindpet.asp

(15) https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080602091241.htm

(16) https://www.ewg.org/enviroblog/2017...archers-wary-plastic-pipes-leaching-chemicals

(17) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21420710

(18) https://esemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Pizzurro-et-al_2018_Piping-Review-White-Paper.pdf

(19) https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/reef-safe-plastics.175329/

(20) http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-04fools/nftt/index.php

(21) https://www.npr.org/2011/03/02/134196209/study-most-plastics-leach-hormone-like-chemicals

(22) https://www.directplastics.co.uk/ab...ering-plastics-outgas-and-why-should-you-care

(23) https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/reef-safe-plastics.354009/

(24) https://www.creativemechanisms.com/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-abs-plastic

(25) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3210908/

(26) https://www.npr.org/sections/health...a-not-much-of-a-threat-government-study-finds

(27) http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_091f/0901b8038091f9d5.pdf

(28) https://omnexus.specialchem.com/polymer-properties/properties/water-absorption-24-hours

(29) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17915704

(30) https://www.ryedale.gov.uk/attachments/article/690/Different_plastic_polymer_types.pdf

(31) https://www.brentwoodplastics.com/blog/bpa-free

(32) https://levahnbros.com/is-pex-safe/

(33) http://www.coengineers.com/preventable-problems-with-pex/

(34) https://www.blastic.eu/knowledge-bank/impacts/toxicity-plastics/

(35) https://phys.org/news/2008-06-leaching-faucet-corrosion-pvc-home.html

(36) https://www.chemicalsafetyfacts.org/polyvinyl-chloride/

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sorry, i don’t have time to go over everything, but there are definitely some things here.

the brand name of acrylic referenced is plexiglas. not plexiglass.

pc is not bpa free and should not be used inside a tank.

the specs listed comparing acrylic to polycarbonate is going to vary depending on many variables, including manufacture, material thickness, process in making the material, etc.
 

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A good reason for keeping carbon in the tank! Could there be another product in capturing the waste that comes from this material?
 

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sorry, i don’t have time to go over everything, but there are definitely some things here.

the brand name of acrylic referenced is plexiglas. not plexiglass.

pc is not bpa free and should not be used inside a tank.

the specs listed comparing acrylic to polycarbonate is going to vary depending on many variables, including manufacture, material thickness, process in making the material, etc.

Thank you for your comments.

Actually there is plexiglass and plexiglas. Plexiglass is the generic name, and Plexiglas is the registered trademark which came after.

Regarding PC, I said in my chart that it could leach BPA, however, I did find sources that reported that there exists a BPA-free PC if a person wants to go to the trouble to look for it and find it and pay for it.

Yes, you're absolutely right. The specs are going to vary depending on many variables, however, if we consider two pieces of the same thickness, we can make some general observations. For example, that it's almost impossible to cold bend acrylic, but often it is possible to cold bend polycarbonate, etc.
 

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Thank you for your comments.

Actually there is plexiglass and plexiglas. Plexiglass is the generic name, and Plexiglas is the registered trademark which came after.

right, but the problem is with using generic names. if you ask a supplier for plexiglass, you could get plexiglas, and you may not want that for your application. but i originally pointed that out because you used plexiglass next to lucite. lucite is a trademarked name and plexiglass is not.

Regarding PC, I said in my chart that it could leach BPA, however, I did find sources that reported that there exists a BPA-free PC if a person wants to go to the trouble to look for it and find it and pay for it.

yes, but general hobbyists will not pay the extra cost, especially since they would most likely need to buy a full sheet. and in most cases where someone would want bpa free polycarbonate, they might as well use acrylic.

Yes, you're absolutely right. The specs are going to vary depending on many variables, however, if we consider two pieces of the same thickness, we can make some general observations. For example, that it's almost impossible to cold bend acrylic, but often it is possible to cold bend polycarbonate, etc.

even if the materials were the same thickness, the comparison is not straight across. the properties of different plastics will still vary from manufacture to manufacture. so “general observations” may not be accurate at all. for example, your chart does not take into consideration differences between cast and extruded acrylic. also, polycarbonate is NOT easier to cut or drill than acrylic.

pc can be cold formed to a certain extent. copolyesters are much better.

these "churn and burn" articles tend to only lightly scratch the surface of complex subjects. it’s great to know what plastics may be safe to use and which may not be, but much more discussions needs to happen if someone want to actually use plastics for projects. for specific info, we do have a large thread people can use here:

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/acrylic-fabrication-q-a.224773/#post-2599288
 

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@cromag27. I spent at least 10 hours researching this, spoke to a dozen plastic manufacturers, one person who sells and installs plastic sheeting for architectural purposes, one engineer, and one engineering professor. These three articles on plastic were close to 5000 words, and there are 36 references, many of which are academic and scientific publications. These articles are not "churn and burn," but that was an effective way to insult me.

My mandate is to write and publish what will interest the general saltwater audience, and I'm sorry if they disappoint a plastics expert like yourself. I agree that someone building a big project should investigate further. I also think that's obvious to the reader.
 

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right, but the problem is with using generic names. if you ask a supplier for plexiglass, you could get plexiglas, and you may not want that for your application. but i originally pointed that out because you used plexiglass next to lucite. lucite is a trademarked name and plexiglass is not.



yes, but general hobbyists will not pay the extra cost, especially since they would most likely need to buy a full sheet. and in most cases where someone would want bpa free polycarbonate, they might as well use acrylic.



even if the materials were the same thickness, the comparison is not straight across. the properties of different plastics will still vary from manufacture to manufacture. so “general observations” may not be accurate at all. for example, your chart does not take into consideration differences between cast and extruded acrylic. also, polycarbonate is NOT easier to cut or drill than acrylic.

pc can be cold formed to a certain extent. copolyesters are much better.

these "churn and burn" articles tend to only lightly scratch the surface of complex subjects. it’s great to know what plastics may be safe to use and which may not be, but much more discussions needs to happen if someone want to actually use plastics for projects. for specific info, we do have a large thread people can use here:

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/acrylic-fabrication-q-a.224773/#post-2599288
Well I agree that this is a very complex subject that has a ton of considerations, I think 'churn and burn' is quite harsh here.

This 3 part series has been well researched and the sources are well documented.

I am no expert on the subject by any means, and I don't doubt that this issue goes a lot deeper than what was covered in these three parts. However, I feel like this article gave me a lot of insight on the topic and general observations will get you in the ballpark. This piece gave me a great overview and brought me up to speed to actually want to dive deeper into the topic and check out the thread you posted.

Articles like this are great because they summarize the topic and build a good foundation of knowledge. I would bet that someone who wants to learn more would read this to get started before perusing through almost 1400 posts in the thread mentioned.

Like anything in this hobby, we mostly scratch the surface. There are 'experts' on this forum who help people with fish disease all the time, but aren't vets or have formal training. While they may only have surface or intermediate knowledge on the topic, they still provide valuable insight daily to people in need of help diagnosing their fish. No complex topic can ever be summarized in an article. Newspapers run articles covering political issues all the time that are very complex. While they don't cover all the nuances of the topic, they can certainly bring you up to speed.

All that to say, I agree with you that is complex. However, calling this a 'churn and burn' piece is quite an insult to someone like @Seawitch who works to make this forum better and completely disregards the value it brings in enlightening people on the topic who might not be experts on it.
 

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"I, personally, have some PEX pipe in my home, and I see that it's readily available everywhere. PEX I've been told tends to fail over time and should be replaced eventually. It was fashionable in the 1990's but no longer meets code at least where I live in British Columbia, Canada."

I don't know about PEX pipe from the 90's but currently in Australia, PEX pipe of the different variations is the preferred pipe to use in water and gas plumbing where it is protected from sunlight. It often comes with 25 year warranty. So I doubt there would be any health issues with modern PEX pipe use particularly in aquariums. That said, the proper PEX pipe fittings are all metal/ brass/ copper so they're a no-no for aquariums.
 

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"I, personally, have some PEX pipe in my home, and I see that it's readily available everywhere. PEX I've been told tends to fail over time and should be replaced eventually. It was fashionable in the 1990's but no longer meets code at least where I live in British Columbia, Canada."

I don't know about PEX pipe from the 90's but currently in Australia, PEX pipe of the different variations is the preferred pipe to use in water and gas plumbing where it is protected from sunlight. It often comes with 25 year warranty. So I doubt there would be any health issues with modern PEX pipe use particularly in aquariums. That said, the proper PEX pipe fittings are all metal/ brass/ copper so they're a no-no for aquariums.

Hi @cobast that's interesting. If you want to look, this is the white paper where I found all those references to PEX leaching things. In the back, there's a chart that covers several pages. There's a long list of possible chemicals leached and which types of pipes leach them. The chart includes references for everything cited, if you wanted to explore further.

Here in British Columbia, if you already have a house with PEX inside, you're okay, but if it fails, then it has to be replaced with something else or you can't get home insurance.
 

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We got quotes to have a house built last year. Everyone is using PEX here and it is stocked at home repair stores now.

Included features of one of the quotes.

Effective 4/19PLUMBING•PEX water lines• Delta® water saving faucets with lifetime warranty on finish and valve•Shut-off valves at all sinks, faucets, & water closets•One piece fiberglass tub & shower units•Elongated water closets•Pedestal sink in powder room•Stainless steel undermount kitchen sink 8” deep• Icemaker hookup•50-gallon electric water heater•2 exterior faucets•Utility hookups for washer & drye
 

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