Need help ID’ing disease

[CamoFan]

Just moved my clowns and hawkish over into the hospital tank as I noticed what looks like ich but I’m not 100% sure. Tank is sitting at 2.5ppm using copper power as I suspect external parasites.

Doesn’t quite look like ich but I’m not 100% certain. See picture.

First noticed about 1-2 days ago when the male clownfish was sleeping away from the female. Thought it was sand. Got him in a cup and swirled, looked like they went away. Today I woke up and saw the female was also affected.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Just moved my clowns and hawkish over into the hospital tank as I noticed what looks like ich but I’m not 100% sure. Tank is sitting at 2.5ppm using copper power as I suspect external parasites.

Doesn’t quite look like ich but I’m not 100% certain. See picture.

First noticed about 1-2 days ago when the male clownfish was sleeping away from the female. Thought it was sand. Got him in a cup and swirled, looked like they went away. Today I woke up and saw the female was also affected.

Pics are dark but does appear to be ich and it appears they are already in quarantine. If you have not treated fish with anything, apply coppersafe or Copper Power at therapeutic level 2.25-2.5 For a FULL 30 days (do not interrupt this 30 day period) monitored by a reliable Copper Test kit such as Hanna Brand- No API brand. Also monitor Ammonia levels while in quarantine with a reliable test kit and add aeration during treatment using an air stone.

 

[CamoFan]

Here’s a video too

 

[CamoFan]

Pics are dark but does appear to be ich and it appears they are already in quarantine. If you have not treated fish with anything, apply coppersafe or Copper Power at therapeutic level 2.25-2.5 For a FULL 30 days (do not interrupt this 30 day period) monitored by a reliable Copper Test kit such as Hanna Brand- No API brand. Also monitor Ammonia levels while in quarantine with a reliable test kit and add aeration during treatment using an air stone.

Camera decided to lose focus as I took the picture, I can get a better one

 

[CamoFan]

Pics are dark but does appear to be ich and it appears they are already in quarantine. If you have not treated fish with anything, apply coppersafe or Copper Power at therapeutic level 2.25-2.5 For a FULL 30 days (do not interrupt this 30 day period) monitored by a reliable Copper Test kit such as Hanna Brand- No API brand. Also monitor Ammonia levels while in quarantine with a reliable test kit and add aeration during treatment using an air stone.

Bumped up the exposure and tried for a shot of the fin where it’s darkest.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Bumped up the exposure and tried for a shot of the fin where it’s darkest.

Hmmm- I see thread like objects which may be secondary bacterial lesions. Try a 5 minute freshwater dip using tap water the same temperature as QT tank and see if this clears up slightly. Its not a treatment but a temporary measure. Aeration not need for dip but you can add

 

[MnFish1]

It looks like ich.

 

[CamoFan]

Hmmm- I see thread like objects which may be secondary bacterial lesions. Try a 5 minute freshwater dip using tap water the same temperature as QT tank and see if this clears up slightly. Its not a treatment but a temporary measure. Aeration not need for dip but you can add

Will do. Should I do the dip now or let them stay in the copper for a day? Also noticing the female has a hazy right eye.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Will do. Should I do the dip now or let them stay in the copper for a day? Also noticing the female has a hazy right eye.

Yu can dip and return to coppersafe.
Are you using cupramin or coppersafe?

Cupramine - dose at .45 - .5
Coppersafe at 2.25

 

[CamoFan]

Yu can dip and return to coppersafe.
Are you using cupramin or coppersafe?

Cupramine - dose at .45 - .5
Coppersafe at 2.25

Using coppersafe at 2.5. I can lower it if needed. No signs of copper insensitivity about 30-45 minutes after adding

 

[vetteguy53081]

Using coppersafe at 2.5. I can lower it if needed. No signs of copper insensitivity about 30-45 minutes after adding

You’re good where you’re at. Go full 30 days and an eye on Ammonia levels with reliable test kit

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Just moved my clowns and hawkish over into the hospital tank as I noticed what looks like ich but I’m not 100% sure. Tank is sitting at 2.5ppm using copper power as I suspect external parasites.

Doesn’t quite look like ich but I’m not 100% certain. See picture.

First noticed about 1-2 days ago when the male clownfish was sleeping away from the female. Thought it was sand. Got him in a cup and swirled, looked like they went away. Today I woke up and saw the female was also affected.

How long have the fish been in copper? It takes 3+ days for that to control ich. The spots look "long" to me - no sure if that is from the photo, or if they look like that "in person", but ich spots will be round.

Both fish have protruding eyes, worse in the female. That can be from excess fat pads behind the eyes, but can also be from chronic diseases like Mycobacteria. It can also be from a previous supersaturation gas event in the tank, but in that case, the protruding eyes would have showed up in a day or so, and you would have likely noticed that.

 

[CamoFan]

How long have the fish been in copper? It takes 3+ days for that to control ich. The spots look "long" to me - no sure if that is from the photo, or if they look like that "in person", but ich spots will be round.

Both fish have protruding eyes, worse in the female. That can be from excess fat pads behind the eyes, but can also be from chronic diseases like Mycobacteria. It can also be from a previous supersaturation gas event in the tank, but in that case, the protruding eyes would have showed up in a day or so, and you would have likely noticed that.

They’ve been in QT now for about an hour. Someone at my LFS recommended 7 days and vette guy saying 30. I’ve seen others saying 14 days online.

As for the bulging eyes, do you think I should keep them in just the copper or should I dose additional antibiotics?

 

[CamoFan]

How long have the fish been in copper? It takes 3+ days for that to control ich. The spots look "long" to me - no sure if that is from the photo, or if they look like that "in person", but ich spots will be round.

Both fish have protruding eyes, worse in the female. That can be from excess fat pads behind the eyes, but can also be from chronic diseases like Mycobacteria. It can also be from a previous supersaturation gas event in the tank, but in that case, the protruding eyes would have showed up in a day or so, and you would have likely noticed that.

They do appear elongated in person, hence why I was confused as it didn’t appear like the usual ich shape.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

They do appear elongated in person, hence why I was confused as it didn’t appear like the usual ich shape.

They could just be mucus plugs - we really don't know what causes them, some stress issue (but ich can be a root cause).

 

[CamoFan]

They could just be mucus plugs - we really don't know what causes them, some stress issue (but ich can be a root cause).

Got it. What would you recommend?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Got it. What would you recommend?

Continue with coppersafe

 

[CamoFan]

Continue with coppersafe

Roger that. Should I add any other meds due to the cloudy eye or just copper only along with water changes every 3 days?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Roger that. Should I add any other meds due to the cloudy eye or just copper only along with water changes every 3 days?

The clean water should help with eye, however if it doesnt clear up in a couple of days, you can add Kanaplex.

 

[CamoFan]

Got it. I did a tank swap recently. 20G long to 35G AIO and had to make 25G of new saltwater so the water quality shouldn’t have been an issue. Maybe the lights may have done something?

The clean water should help with eye, however if it doesnt clear up in a couple of days, you can add Kanaplex.