My tank tried to kill me, now what?!?!

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Okay, not me personally, but I promised the 'reef chicks' in my local club that I'd write up a 'what to do in case of emergency' when their tank tries to kill them/a family member/a pet. I am thinking of making this into different pages, so if this DOES happen, you can just grab a page and go. Keep it next to the tank in a printed out form, and when you're home from your fancy hospital stay you can print out another one! Or get it laminated. Of course, for the people that are more knowledgeable out there, add info as you see fit!
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Lets face it. Doctors on the mainland don't normally have to know what a zoanthid is, nor do they normally have to know how to treat for it when it went ahead and defended itself, poisoning you in the process. This little guide should help you and the doctor know what exactly they are dealing with! Yes, you keep a glass box in your house that may or may not have dangers within. Some people do not even realize that their tanks are dangerous. And not just because of the big things, sometimes its the smallest things that can do the most damage.

Before I start, here's a disclaimer:
This is for information only and not for use in the treatment or management of an actual poison exposure. If you have an exposure, you should call your local emergency number (such as 911) or the National Poison Control Center at 1-800-222-1222. This list is NOT all-inclusive. If you think something is 'odd' with you after you've been messing with your tank, go to the doctor. Tell them you have a saltwater marine aquarium, your hands were in it, and you don't know what's wrong. If you need to write your symptoms down before you go, do it. If you don't want an ambulance at your door have someone drive you ASAP! Your health is important.

Lion fish
The 'normal' fish that sting!

A lion fish sting causes intense pain and swelling at the site of the sting. Some people have described it as a strong bee-sting in the case of lion fish. But when you get higher-up into the stonefish and rock fish, it CAN AND WILL BE DEADLY! If you start having an allergic reaction call the hospital IMMEDIATELY!

At Home Treatment- Immediately put your hand under hot water. Do not scald or burn your hand/arm/whatever got stung-the burn may end up being worse than the actual sting. This will hopefully break down the venom that is now coursing through your body. Yes, it may take a half hour or more to break down the venom.
Its highly recommended to go to the Dr shortly after you are stung, as there may be a piece of its spine stuck in you without you even knowing it. Yes, you just got boned by a fish, and they may still be boning you.

Scorpion and Rock Fish
The 'why in the world do you keep these fish' fish!

For what its worth, try not to get hit by one of these. Call the Dr, go to the ER. While waiting for the ambulance to show up, keep your hurt appendage under hot water. Still, do not burn yourself.

For more information on the above fish and what to do, I recommend reading a LOT before you get them. Here's an article that deals with what happens when you get hit by a lionfish http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-11/jf/feature/index.php

Rabbit Fish
Wait, these are poisonous?!?!

Yup, rabbit fish have spines and poison too! Once again, treatment is hot water, calling the ER as necessary for farther treatment

Bristleworms
Normal, every-day scavengers, right?

But they do have a defense system. Those cute little bristle worms have... bristles. All over their bodies. If you get 'stung' by these, chances are you'll have a ton of bristles left in your finger or arm where they got you. My suggestion is to use tape to get the bristles out. Stronger is better, of course.

Fireworms fall into this category, but they are slightly different. They'll hurt a heck of a lot worse. Hot water, ER trip if necessary. Still gotta get those bristles out too, if they're in there!

Cone Snails
Yeah, I just said 'Snails' are trying to kill you

I'm just copying this article straight-up. Go to the ER ASAP! CALL poison control! GET HELP!
from http://www.emedicinehealth.com/wilderness_cone_snail_sting/article_em.htm

Cone Snail Sting Symptoms

  • Most stings occur on the hands and fingers due to handling.
  • Mild stings are similar to a wasp or bee sting with localized burning and sharp stinging symptoms. They can be intense and also have numbness and tingling to the wounded area.
  • Some sting symptoms can progress to include cyanosis (blueness at the site due to decreased blood flow), and even numbness or tingling involving an entire limb.
  • Severe cases show total limb numbness that progresses to the area around the mouth (perioral) and then the entire body. Paralysis (inability to move a part or entire body) can occur leading to paralysis of the diaphragm which stops the ability to breath.
  • Coma and death can in severe cases where the diaphragm is paralyzed.
  • Other symptoms that can occur include: fainting (syncope), itching, loss of coordination, heart failure, difficulty speaking. difficulty breathing, and double vision.
  • Symptoms can begin within minutes or take days to appear after the venom is injected.
  • There is no antivenom available for cone snail stings.
  • Use the pressure immobilization technique:
    • Use an elastic bandage (similar to ACE bandage) to wrap the limb starting at the distal end (fingers or toes) and wrap toward the body. It should be tight but the fingers and toes should remain pink so that the circulation is not cut off.
    • The extremity should also be immobilized with a splint or stick of some sort to prevent it from bending at the joints.
    • The elastic bandage should be removed for 90 seconds every 10 minutes and then reapplied for the first 4 to 6 hours. (Hopefully medical care can be received within this time period.)
  • Other treatment options that may help include:
    • Immerse the affected area in water as hot as is tolerable (water temperature not to exceed 140 F or 60 C).
    • Inject a local anesthetic into the wound area.
    • Some reports suggest that
    • Edrophonium (Enlon, Tensilon) 10 mg IV may be used as therapy for paralysis. A 2-mg test-dose should first be administered IV, and if effective, followed by an additional 8-mg dose IV. Atropine (Atreza, Sal-Tropine) 0.6 mg should be immediately available for intravenous administration in case of an adverse reaction to edrophonium.
    • A 2 to 4 mg dose naloxone (Narcan) given IV may help treat severe hypotension (low blood pressure).
    • Local excision (cutting out the area stung) by a health care professional (controversial and not widely recommended)
    • Incision and suction (controversial and not widely recommended)
  • Avoid excessive movement and keep the patient calm and warm.
  • CPR may be necessary. Artificial respiration may save the person's life.
  • Do not cut into the wound, apply suction, or use a tourniquet.
Mycobacterium marinum
The smallest things can try to kill you too!

I think the best thing to do is research this one. EVERYONE who owns a tank, freshwater or saltwater, should know about this. There is a bacteria in your tank. It can seriously hurt you.
Here is a good link to description and treatment of it. This DOES include a trip to the doctor, but most likely you have a day... if you're lucky.
http://www.medicinenet.com/mycobacterium_marinum/article.htm

Zoanthids and Palys

Oh so pretty. Oh so Deadly.

In the history of humans, we have actually used these on arrowheads, to kill things quicker. You know all that slime? Death. Okay, maybe not complete and utter death, but its going to hurt BAD if you get it in a mucous membrane or a cut. I suggest always using gloves when fragging these, and never EVER 'boil them off a rock'. Even when they are dead, they still have the proteins within their bodies. This will vaporize, becoming airborne. THIS CAN KILL YOU!!!!! DO NOT DO THIS!!!

The information you need to know is that they have palytoxin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palytoxin Yes, I just sent you to wikipedia.
When you go to the ER, you need to know the word 'palytoxin'. Say it with me. Palytoxin.

If you start to feel ill, have a rapid heart rate, difficulty breathing, or pain in your chest, then you need to get to a hospital ASAP. Have a little sheet printed out laying next to you when you pass out, so that the Dr. will know what to do tests for. Yes, I'm serious.

Cyanobacteria
Yeah, I am bringing up everything, including cyano


They have anatoxin and homoanatoxin. The following info is from the applied science and analysis newsletter: http://www.asanltr.com/newsletter/02-2/articles/Neurotoxins.htm
Anatoxins are toxins produced by cyanobacteria. Three common anatoxins have been described: (1) anatoxin-a and (2) homoanatoxin-a are secondary amines and (3) anatoxin-a(s) is a phosphate ester of a cyclic N-hydroxyguanine structure. The chemical structures of these anatoxins are given in Fig. 1. Anatoxin-a and homoanatoxin-a are postsynaptic depolarizing neuromuscular blocking agents [1] that bind strongly to the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor [2]. These compounds are potent neurotoxins which cause rapid death in mammals by respiratory arrest (the mouse LD50 is approximately 250 µg/kg (microgram/kg) i.p. [3]). Anatoxin-a(s) is even more potent towards mice (LD50 20-40 µg/kg) and is a cholinesterase inhibitor [4,5]. Unlike anatoxin-a, anatoxin-a(s) induces hypersalivation in mammals, as well as other symptoms more typical of neurotoxicity such as diarrhea, shaking and nasal mucus discharge [6]. All anatoxins are deadly and their military potential as a toxin weapon is very high. They are thermally labile and may be inactivated by heat. These toxins can enter the body by ingestion, injection, inhalation and through abraded skin.

Yup, all that means another trip to the ER.

Sea Slugs
Not more!!!! Yup, more


There are poisons in the slugs. There's not much information on what they can do to humans. I suggest you do not eat them, or snort their slime.

Puffer Fish
Also Known As: Don't eat your pets


We've all likely heard the story of the sushi chefs that can actually cut up a puffer fish. Unless you are a licensed by the country of Japan chef, don't try to fry up your puffer fish. Tetrodotoxin is the word to know for that one. Yup, it's trying to kill you.

Octopus
Not just the blue-ringed variety

MOST people know that blue-ringed octopi have poisons. With the blue rings you have 10 minutes. That's a very short amount of time. You will DIE if you do not call 911 immediately. Tell them EXACTLY what happened. Here's the run-down of the blue-rings:
If you or someone you know has been bitten by a blue-ringed octopus, call 911 or activate the local medical emergency service in the area immediately.

  • Most bites cause minimal pain for the first 5-10 minutes then begin to throb and may get numb and involve the rest of the arm (or extremity) bitten.
  • Bleeding may be excessive
  • Numbness, nausea, vomiting, changes in vision, and difficulty swallowing.
  • After approximately 10 minutes, the victim may have difficulty breathing, become paralyzed, and require artificial ventilation until they can be transported to a hospital. This is often preceded by numbness or loss of feeling around the lips and mouth. If medical care is not provided urgently, respiratory failure may occur, which may lead in cardiac arrest, and death.
It isn't as well known that other octopi have poisonous bites too. They aren't AS bad as the blue ring. It usually involves tingling around the injection site, swelling, numbness, and all the 'good stuff'. If it was ME, I'd just call the Dr and set up an appointment asap if I was hit by a littler, not as poisonous one. Perhaps for later that day.

Other Corals
Be aware of Allergic Reactions


Confession time. I'm allergic to mushrooms. Not the kind that you eat. The kind that are kept in aquariums. My hands turn red, I break out, so on and so forth if their slime gets on me. I personally know this. Please be aware of this sort of reaction when in and around your tank. It means you are allergic! For me, that means I cannot keep mushrooms. For you it may be something else like leathers, or anemones, or even montiporas. It can happen!
 
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I already edited it, I forgot about allergic reactions. Its my own personal confession... and the reason you will never EVER see a mushroom in my tank. I can handle rics, but the cheap $5 for 20 mushrooms? They hurt me. a LOT.
 

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Thanks.

I react strongly to euphyllia and aiptasia. Euphyllia will numb where they touch and the aiptasia leaves horrible red bumbs for weeks that ich like mad.

This is a nice spot to let people know what can go wrong.
 
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Yeah, I think people in general try to down-play or forget that this can happen, and does happen to people. Like me reminding all the girls last night at our meeting. (Our reef club is 90% women, and the ones we 'get permission from' are our husbands. Completely opposite of normal!)
 

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Great job and thanks for sharing!
 

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Hey Lowstorm! Awaaw man good job!!!!!!!!
I promised the 'reef chicks' in my local club
Yup if you promised you have to do it)))) Cool!!! I'm glad that you promised them it! Thanks girls! )))
So we have great guide how to survive!!!
Inject a local anesthetic into the wound area.
That's good advice for many cases!
Can you imagine all people who read all this guide will be in safety! They will be protected this knowledge! Thanks man! We all appreciate this!!!
 
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Got stung by a bearded fireworm in Cuba once, spent a couple hours in some of the worst pain I have ever felt.

Didn't have tape, so I had to leave the bristles there T_T
 

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I was venomized by a lion fish and hot water for me made it burn. So after 12hrs I was not hurting any more. the First 4-5 hours was the worse. Felt like 5X more painful than a paper wasp sting. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::(:(:(:( If you are allergic to bee/wasp sting DO go to the Hospital. By the way I Do Not blame the fish. Bristleworms under 1/2" don't hurt much. Prickley though. :rolleyes:
 

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Don't forget about Fang Blennies, I managed to accidentally get bit by one after it jumped out of my tank. I picked it up and somehow got bit on the thumb, didn't feel like much at first, but after 15 minutes I had a red mark and a slight burning sensation, lasted about an hour, then got itchy like a mosquito bite. I'd imagine if you were allergic it would be a lot more severe.
 

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I'm sure like myself, we rarely think of our tanks as a "danger zone" but we do need to be cautious and aware of the dangers you listed. Thank you so much!! The next time I see one of my Zoas that mr. Crab knocked down I'll wear surgical gloves to put it back in its spot. :D
 

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I got hit by my rabbitfish. Now I have a very and I mean a very high pain tolerance. I normally dislocate my shoulder in a GTC seizure and just do the Sgt Riggs technique of slamming my shoulder into a wall to pop it into joint. For that I take a tylonel I was begging for narcotic pain killers after the fish sting.
 
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Some of the workers at a LFS told me a story about how they were moving this specific coral from one tank to another, I don't recall the species anymore. Long story short, this coral released something into the air and got them both very sick, like worse than flu sick for a week. The owners of the store didn't believe them, and almost fired them until he looked up the species.
 
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Ahh, forgot about the fang blennies completely! But yes, being aware and sharing knowledge is important, even if its the 'bad stuff'.

crud, I forgot about jellyfish too. Luckily they need their own tank and people usually research those before they get them....
 

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Awesome write up. And I take everything for granted in my tank and one day I want be so lucky. I have touched everything in my tank and don't get stung from my rbta, Maxi - Mini Carpet Anemone, zoas and elegance. All without gloves. I will be attending a meeting here in Houston they will be going over the dangers in our tanks and what to do if something should happen. Hope the meeting will be as good as this write up.
 

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Don't forget Blue Hippo Tangs, their tail barb has also been determined to be poisonous, although it's very rare to get nailed by one because they're so docile. Which it why it went unknown for so long
 
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