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It is possible that that’s what’s been going on. From what I’ve read even peaceful fish can become territorial and bully their own kind
I was just watching them, and the bigger one came to where the little one is, and the little one started to swim in the open to get away, but I have seen no harm, and they have had a few peaceful interactions, but I will definitely keep an eye out for any aggression.
 
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Here is a picture of the little clown goby, and the firefish. I will take better pictures later, but these are the best I could get right now, lol.

All the fish are very active right now and are exploring their surroundings. My firefish has found 2 little caves he likes, so if he feels threatened, he has places to hide, which I think is a good sign.

I am hoping this means that I did the acclimation right, and fingers crossed everything goes well overnight!

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Here is a picture of the little clown goby, and the firefish. I will take better pictures later, but these are the best I could get right now, lol.

All the fish are very active right now and are exploring their surroundings. My firefish has found 2 little caves he likes, so if he feels threatened, he has places to hide, which I think is a good sign.

I am hoping this means that I did the acclimation right, and fingers crossed everything goes well overnight!

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Nice pictures and fish! I really like the firefish you got! They all seem to be doing well! They're going to be exploring for a bit. And I wouldn't worry, I'm sure you did a great job with acclimation. I honestly just floated the bag and transferred the fish, but my LFS had similar water parameters (salinity mainly). Keep us posted and I would love to see more pictures!
 
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Here is a front view of the firefish to show the pink/purple. He/she (still figuring that out), is absolutely gorgeous in many many ways! Sorry for the bad picture to, lol.

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Also, I did a TDS test in the fish tank, and it said that it was 9795... It says normal levels should be around 400... Is that bad?
 

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Wow, thanks for the advice!

When I first went to my LFS, I was getting help from this guy, and he said I could definitely get a pair of clowns and a firefish... Together. I later did research and found out that was NOT a good idea... Today when I went to get my fish, I was with this one person, who was super nice, but she admitted to me that she was still learning about saltwater fish, which kind of concerned me. She kept asking the head person who was always running around helping customers, testing water, bagging fish ETC. That person, is very intelligent in saltwater, but she had a opinion that was very strict on fish in smaller tanks, so she told the person helping me that I could get 1 clown, but then I would have to upgrade later in the future?!?! Anything I have read says that you could have 2 in a 15g, it would just be tight, but anyway of course the person helping me was going to say no to getting clown fish unless I was planning to upgrade in the future. I am a little disappointed, but there was no way that I was going to get a pair of clowns, at least today... Lol...

I have salifert test kits coming tomorrow! I got 4, Phosphate, Magnesium, kH, and calcium. I believe that is everything that I need to test for a reef tank, correct? I do have pH, ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate test kits as well.
I was also very perplexed at the fact that they did not let you get two clowns. I had no issue with my LFS. Heck, I've got two clowns paired in my 13.5gal. I've seen many 13-15gal tanks have clown pairs just fine, and I was told I can add one or two more fish if I would like. I will only go with one more in the future most likely.

And @ralquist provided a very great list of beginner friendly corals. I would recommend any corals that are hardy at first as your essential elements like mag and phosphate won't be stable yet (new tank). You can ask your LFS what corals they can give you that are hardy. Once you get corals I would start keeping an eye and getting familiar with ALK, MAG, and PHOSPHATE.

I currently have GSP, Button Polyps, and Xenia in my tank :)
 
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Everything made it through the night! I could not sleep last night because I was so nervous, but everything seemed to be going well. The only fish that I am concerned about right now is the smaller clown goby. He slept on the power head, but when I saw him there in the morning, I just took a syringe and pressed down a little water on him to get him to move. He swam into the rocks and I have not seen him since.

I also did an ammonia and nitrite test, and both were 0!
 
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Ok, well this is today's update. To say that it was crazy, would be an underestimate.

To start things off, this morning started off well, 1 clown goby and the firefish were pretty active, and the other clown goby kind of just hid in the rocks all day.

As stated before, I got my test kits and measured my parameters. They are all pretty good, besides maybe magnesium and phosphates are a little low.

I decided to take a little shaving off of a mysis shrimp cube, and try to get the fish to eat a little around 3: 30. The bigger goby put food in his mouth, but spit it out. About an hour later, I tried to get the firefish to eat, so I put food just above him, and it floated down right in front of his face, and to my surprise, he actually ate it, and kept it down. I believe that is a good sign because at that point I had only had him in the tank for a little over 24 hours.

Soon after the mysis shrimp were in the tank, the bristle worms emerged from the rocks. I saw at least 3, and I was able to remove one. I saw one take a big piece of shrimp back into its cave, and haven't seen it since.

My bigger clown goby has been very active during the afternoon and evening, swimming for a long time, like a few hours, only with a few small breaks. I am very happy with that because he attempted to eat and he is definitely very confident in the tank, which I assume means he is less stressed. This goes for all of the fish, but they stop swimming when I turn the return pump on. I haven't turned on the powerhead all day today, because I realized that there is way too much flow, they just get blown around. They all hide in rocks while the return pump is on, and then specifically the bigger clown goby swims a lot when there is no flow, and the only time the fire fish really swims is when there is no flow. I don't know what's up with that, but I need that return pump to be running, because that is where the heated water comes from, and is also the only way gas exchange can happen.

Here comes the crazy part. As I was doing maintenance, and trying to remove the bristle worms, I had the top resting on top of the tank, so it limited the chances of the firefish jumping. Each corner had about an inch and a half of open space, and sure enough, the firefish managed to jump out of the corner closest to where the stand was. He jumped behind the stand, and luckily because of my adrenaline rush, I was able to pull it. It's heavy. It has the tank, as well as the stuff inside the drawers, and it's also made out of real, heavy wood. I can't pull it out now, so it's all because of the adrenaline rush. He fell on the carpet, and I was able to pick him up, but my hand was open so he was able to jump out of my hand. The next time I picked him up, I closed my hand. I felt him freaking out in my hand, but luckily I was able to get him back in the tank. In total, he was out of the tank for less than a minute, so I am sure he will be fine. He instantly darted into a new cave that he discovered and stayed there for over an hour. He would switch between facing away from me and facing me, but right after the incident, I could tell he was breathing very heavily. Now, he seems fine, his breathing is normal, and he has a very minor rip in his top fin, but it's barely noticeable. Does anyone have any idea on how I can prevent this? He was able to jump out in a blink of an eye, and I know it could have ended way worse. I am going to have to have the too off, for doing maintenance, so there has to be something I can do to prevent this, right? This was after the fall, about an hour later:

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This evening, the smaller clown goby has finally decided to explore the tank. It's the most activity I have seen from them, so I am happy. The bigger clown goby has been trying to check them out, but the smaller one swims away. There have been a few instances where the smaller one didn't care that the bigger one was right next to it, so I think there isn't any aggression happening, which is a good thing.

I plan to head over to the coral research facility tomorrow, to see if he thinks I can put some corals in.

That brings up a new question... Do I have to dose anything? As I said before, I know my magnesium and phosphates are low, so I probably have to dose something for those, but calcium should really go up with water changes because the sand has calcium in it, correct? Any advice I will take.

I am still coming up with names because it's annoying to refer to, "the firefish", or, "the bigger one", and then, "smaller one".

Honestly, if you read through all of this, congrats! Lol, I wrote a lot, but today was an interesting one, to say the least. Any advice or solutions you have for me will be greatly appreciated
 
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Well, here is another thing to add to my crazy day.

The smaller clown goby has passed. He started to struggle to swim, and then he got sucked into the filter sock. He then of course struggled to swim, but somehow managed to get into the cave with the 2 bristle worms. That made my heart break. I didn't want him to pass, and then get eaten by bristle worms.

Somehow I managed to get him out, so I put him in the bag that I got him in. My fish store has a 48hr return policy, so I have to bring the fish, a water sample, and the receipt, and I hope I can get my money back, and maybe purchase a new fish that's not a clown goby. Would that be ok? The 2 other fish are perfectly fine, so it was obviously something that I got him with. If I do see signs that other fish are turning sick then I obviously won't get another fish, but if they all seem healthy in the morning, I should be able to get another fish, right?

I am pretty discouraged, but I am feeling better about it now that I don't have to worry that he will get eaten. I had thoughts of quitting the hobby when he was still in the tank, but luckily those have gone away now that I know he won't be eaten. This is just what happens in this hobby, fish will get sick and die, and you can't let it discourage you.
 

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Ok, well this is today's update. To say that it was crazy, would be an underestimate.

To start things off, this morning started off well, 1 clown goby and the firefish were pretty active, and the other clown goby kind of just hid in the rocks all day.

As stated before, I got my test kits and measured my parameters. They are all pretty good, besides maybe magnesium and phosphates are a little low.

I decided to take a little shaving off of a mysis shrimp cube, and try to get the fish to eat a little around 3: 30. The bigger goby put food in his mouth, but spit it out. About an hour later, I tried to get the firefish to eat, so I put food just above him, and it floated down right in front of his face, and to my surprise, he actually ate it, and kept it down. I believe that is a good sign because at that point I had only had him in the tank for a little over 24 hours.

Soon after the mysis shrimp were in the tank, the bristle worms emerged from the rocks. I saw at least 3, and I was able to remove one. I saw one take a big piece of shrimp back into its cave, and haven't seen it since.

My bigger clown goby has been very active during the afternoon and evening, swimming for a long time, like a few hours, only with a few small breaks. I am very happy with that because he attempted to eat and he is definitely very confident in the tank, which I assume means he is less stressed. This goes for all of the fish, but they stop swimming when I turn the return pump on. I haven't turned on the powerhead all day today, because I realized that there is way too much flow, they just get blown around. They all hide in rocks while the return pump is on, and then specifically the bigger clown goby swims a lot when there is no flow, and the only time the fire fish really swims is when there is no flow. I don't know what's up with that, but I need that return pump to be running, because that is where the heated water comes from, and is also the only way gas exchange can happen.

Here comes the crazy part. As I was doing maintenance, and trying to remove the bristle worms, I had the top resting on top of the tank, so it limited the chances of the firefish jumping. Each corner had about an inch and a half of open space, and sure enough, the firefish managed to jump out of the corner closest to where the stand was. He jumped behind the stand, and luckily because of my adrenaline rush, I was able to pull it. It's heavy. It has the tank, as well as the stuff inside the drawers, and it's also made out of real, heavy wood. I can't pull it out now, so it's all because of the adrenaline rush. He fell on the carpet, and I was able to pick him up, but my hand was open so he was able to jump out of my hand. The next time I picked him up, I closed my hand. I felt him freaking out in my hand, but luckily I was able to get him back in the tank. In total, he was out of the tank for less than a minute, so I am sure he will be fine. He instantly darted into a new cave that he discovered and stayed there for over an hour. He would switch between facing away from me and facing me, but right after the incident, I could tell he was breathing very heavily. Now, he seems fine, his breathing is normal, and he has a very minor rip in his top fin, but it's barely noticeable. Does anyone have any idea on how I can prevent this? He was able to jump out in a blink of an eye, and I know it could have ended way worse. I am going to have to have the too off, for doing maintenance, so there has to be something I can do to prevent this, right? This was after the fall, about an hour later:

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This evening, the smaller clown goby has finally decided to explore the tank. It's the most activity I have seen from them, so I am happy. The bigger clown goby has been trying to check them out, but the smaller one swims away. There have been a few instances where the smaller one didn't care that the bigger one was right next to it, so I think there isn't any aggression happening, which is a good thing.

I plan to head over to the coral research facility tomorrow, to see if he thinks I can put some corals in.

That brings up a new question... Do I have to dose anything? As I said before, I know my magnesium and phosphates are low, so I probably have to dose something for those, but calcium should really go up with water changes because the sand has calcium in it, correct? Any advice I will take.

I am still coming up with names because it's annoying to refer to, "the firefish", or, "the bigger one", and then, "smaller one".

Honestly, if you read through all of this, congrats! Lol, I wrote a lot, but today was an interesting one, to say the least. Any advice or solutions you have for me will be greatly appreciated
It's good to hear that your fish are doing well and getting adjusted to the tank and eating a bit!

That's definitely a crazy/scary experience with the firefish jumping out. I'm glad you got him back into the tank as quickly as you could. He should be fine, he was most likely stressed but if his breathing is normal again he should be okay.

Coral wise, I personally wouldn't dose anything especially so early on just to get perfect numbers. I would just wait a bit for your magnesium and phosphates to develop. If you get a hardy coral, it should be fine with what you have now, I'm sure the guys at the coral facility will know what to recommend. Also anyone who is more familiar with nutrients will probably give you some more adivce. Let us know how that goes!
 

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Well, here is another thing to add to my crazy day.

The smaller clown goby has passed. He started to struggle to swim, and then he got sucked into the filter sock. He then of course struggled to swim, but somehow managed to get into the cave with the 2 bristle worms. That made my heart break. I didn't want him to pass, and then get eaten by bristle worms.

Somehow I managed to get him out, so I put him in the bag that I got him in. My fish store has a 48hr return policy, so I have to bring the fish, a water sample, and the receipt, and I hope I can get my money back, and maybe purchase a new fish that's not a clown goby. Would that be ok? The 2 other fish are perfectly fine, so it was obviously something that I got him with. If I do see signs that other fish are turning sick then I obviously won't get another fish, but if they all seem healthy in the morning, I should be able to get another fish, right?

I am pretty discouraged, but I am feeling better about it now that I don't have to worry that he will get eaten. I had thoughts of quitting the hobby when he was still in the tank, but luckily those have gone away now that I know he won't be eaten. This is just what happens in this hobby, fish will get sick and die, and you can't let it discourage you.
That's very unfortunate to hear, I'm sorry for your loss. Do you have an idea of how he passed away? Definitely see what your LFS says about him. Maybe you can get a different goby or even just a single clown?

And you said it perfectly, this hobby comes with its hardships. You shouldn't let that discourage you. One of my clowns has a bump and I am thinking it's lympho, which means I can't do much but try to keep pristine water conditions. I will be dosing/adding vitamins like b-glucan and selcon to try and improve health. You could look into those two as well as they can be mixed with food during feeding for improved health and preventative measures!
 
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That's very unfortunate to hear, I'm sorry for your loss. Do you have an idea of how he passed away? Definitely see what your LFS says about him. Maybe you can get a different goby or even just a single clown?

And you said it perfectly, this hobby comes with its hardships. You shouldn't let that discourage you. One of my clowns has a bump and I am thinking it's lympho, which means I can't do much but try to keep pristine water conditions. I will be dosing/adding vitamins like b-glucan and selcon to try and improve health. You could look into those two as well as they can be mixed with food during feeding for improved health and preventative measures!
Yeah, I saw your the head about the clown, and I really hope he gets better.

I think he died because of just pure stress, maybe he had some sort of disease, but there's no way anyone could tell. I could tell he had been bullied at the fish store, and he hid and rarely swam, so like I said I think it was mostly stress.
 

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Yeah, I saw your the head about the clown, and I really hope he gets better.

I think he died because of just pure stress, maybe he had some sort of disease, but there's no way anyone could tell. I could tell he had been bullied at the fish store, and he hid and rarely swam, so like I said I think it was mostly stress.
Yeah that's possible. I feel like if he was a little stressed at the store, and then got moved into a new tank, it could've made the stress worse. Let me know how it goes at the store next time you're there!

And thank you, I've been keeping a close eye on him :disappointed-face:
 

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So sorry for your loss man, that’s so difficult when you put in all the effort to make thing perfect. DO NOT GET DISCOURAGED! This is a bump in the road and happens to everyone at some point, even the seasoned vets with years and years of experience! Stress in the fish is something you can try to minimize but unavoidable and if it was sick but didn’t present any symptom's then no way to help this, you can’t just slam it with every treatment if you never knew there was a problem till it was to late. Some reason I’m not getting alerts from the builds I’m following. Went back and caught up, you’ve had an eventful few days.
Your firefish will always jump, after they get a little more settled I feel like they get less frightful, that’s awesome you got it back though! Little floor bounce might teach it a lesson! Mine are not really active swimmers, they pick a place and hover. One I have will go into a cave for days at a time, only see when feeding.
I have never had a clown goby but I know they have a small swim bladder, they cannot swim long and look to perch on the rocks so the behavior I would say is normal. They will adjust to your flow, they just need some time to adapt. When you do turn your power head on just start low and increase the speed slowly.
Don’t see why they wouldn’t give you money or credit for a new fish, assuming you check all their required boxes. For as strict as they were with you, I feel like they better work with you on a solution.
As for your water def want to get your phosphate up as well as check your nitrates. I would feed heavy for a few days, once you start to see phosphate register on your test back off the heavy feeding. This will help avoid growing any unwanted algae, you want to have a little phosphate and nitrate.
Forgot what light you are using but if your running it on I would go with a very low setting, since you don’t have coral you can turn those down and bring them up slowly over the course of a week. This will also help with minimizing unwanted algae growth.
With coral like @Ollie67 stated, I would ask what your LFS has. Def something cheap but you have fish and some nutrients so a coral or 2 would be fine.
With that would come being ready for a new coral, you’ll need a coral dip and some containers with tank water. There are some great videos out there, don’t let them intimidate you. You just need practice, this will be stressful the first few times but gets way easier I promise! I would make sure you watch a few before committing to a purchase just to ensure you have everything you’ll need for the dipping process. Nothing worse than being in the middle of that and realize you’re missing something… cough cough I’m guilty!
Best of luck today at the LFS, sending ya positive vibes!
 
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So sorry for your loss man, that’s so difficult when you put in all the effort to make thing perfect. DO NOT GET DISCOURAGED! This is a bump in the road and happens to everyone at some point, even the seasoned vets with years and years of experience! Stress in the fish is something you can try to minimize but unavoidable and if it was sick but didn’t present any symptom's then no way to help this, you can’t just slam it with every treatment if you never knew there was a problem till it was to late. Some reason I’m not getting alerts from the builds I’m following. Went back and caught up, you’ve had an eventful few days.
Your firefish will always jump, after they get a little more settled I feel like they get less frightful, that’s awesome you got it back though! Little floor bounce might teach it a lesson! Mine are not really active swimmers, they pick a place and hover. One I have will go into a cave for days at a time, only see when feeding.
I have never had a clown goby but I know they have a small swim bladder, they cannot swim long and look to perch on the rocks so the behavior I would say is normal. They will adjust to your flow, they just need some time to adapt. When you do turn your power head on just start low and increase the speed slowly.
Don’t see why they wouldn’t give you money or credit for a new fish, assuming you check all their required boxes. For as strict as they were with you, I feel like they better work with you on a solution.
As for your water def want to get your phosphate up as well as check your nitrates. I would feed heavy for a few days, once you start to see phosphate register on your test back off the heavy feeding. This will help avoid growing any unwanted algae, you want to have a little phosphate and nitrate.
Forgot what light you are using but if your running it on I would go with a very low setting, since you don’t have coral you can turn those down and bring them up slowly over the course of a week. This will also help with minimizing unwanted algae growth.
With coral like @Ollie67 stated, I would ask what your LFS has. Def something cheap but you have fish and some nutrients so a coral or 2 would be fine.
With that would come being ready for a new coral, you’ll need a coral dip and some containers with tank water. There are some great videos out there, don’t let them intimidate you. You just need practice, this will be stressful the first few times but gets way easier I promise! I would make sure you watch a few before committing to a purchase just to ensure you have everything you’ll need for the dipping process. Nothing worse than being in the middle of that and realize you’re missing something… cough cough I’m guilty!
Best of luck today at the LFS, sending ya positive vibes!
Thank you for all the help! I am on the to my LFS now, and I hope I can get my money back, and maybe get a new, different fish! Will see what happens...
 

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Yeah, I saw your the head about the clown, and I really hope he gets better.

I think he died because of just pure stress, maybe he had some sort of disease, but there's no way anyone could tell. I could tell he had been bullied at the fish store, and he hid and rarely swam, so like I said I think it was mostly stress.
Again, sorry about your fish.

The lesson here is that if a fish looks rough in the store, you do not want to buy it unless you have a hospital tank and the desire, skill and supplies to try and save it.

Go so far as to ask the people at the store to feed it for you. If it won't eat, that is not a good sign.
 
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Again, sorry about your fish.

The lesson here is that if a fish looks rough in the store, you do not want to buy it unless you have a hospital tank and the desire, skill and supplies to try and save it.

Go so far as to ask the people at the store to feed it for you. If it won't eat, that is not a good sign.
Ok. The person just scooped up 2 random one's, and instantly put them in the bag. I didn't even necessarily say I wanted 2... But from now on I will make sure that doesn't happen.
 
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Ok. The person just acooped up 2 random one's, and I instantly put them in the bag. I didn't even necessarily say I wanted 2... But from now on I will make sure that doesn't happen.
Yeah, you can certainly be picky and point out the exact fish you want out of the bunch.
 
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Well, I brought a water sample from my tank, the fish and the receipt. I got the same person as last time, who admitted to me that she was still learning about saltwater tanks. She instantly asked me how long I acclimated it for, and I said about an hour, and she said right off the bat that an ammonia spike happened in the bag, stressing out the fish, and she said I should have acclimated the fish for less than half an hour. I was acclimating them to .005 higher salinity!! I should have done it for a few hours, so I thought I did it fast. The other clown goby was in that exact bag with him, and he is doing really good, so that's not what killed him. I got a sample of the water and tested everything that they would test for. The parameters were perfect. Note that there was NO ammonia in the water. I drove a half hour to get there, and they took my fish and water. She came back and said my pH was low, around 7.8, but she said it's most not likely what killed him. Now this bothers me. She then said I had .25 ammonia in the bag. I did not. Like I said before, I tested the water, and had no ammonia. She did that just to say she couldn't give me a refund. Unbelievable.
 

HAVE YOU EVER KEPT A RARE/UNCOMMON FISH, CORAL, OR INVERT? SHOW IT OFF IN THE THREAD!

  • Yes!

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  • Not yet, but I have one that I want to buy in mind!

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