Mariculture vs Aquaculture Frags: How to Have Success with Maris!

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Mariculture vs Aquaculture Frags: How to Have Success with Maris!

While I always think its better to buy aquaculture frags from established tanks as the colors are already mature and you know what you're going to get, getting some mariculture colonies is a nice way to jump start your tank and have it look mature quicker.

For maris, some have more difficult times transitioning, which is why not everybody buys maris. I've had decent success with them with the following method:

1) Remove plug and put on my own... Plugs are just covered in all types of algae you don't want to go nuts in your tank.

2) Dip them all, not so much looking for AEFW but black bugs and sea spiders will make you shut down your tank. There is no cure for either but total shutdown.

3) Keep your tank alk at a lower value, below 7.5 dKh... Natural reefs have pretty low alk, often 6.5 dKh and below so having yours low too helps the transition IMO.

4) Put them directly in high light > 250 par. None of that "start them on the sand bed" business unless they are deepwater acros.

They will take a long time to settle on final colors. I've had some do it in months, I've had some for 2 years still not color up.

For price value, you can't beat maris. Just don't expect all the colors to be there for awhile and expect a higher mortality rate than just collecting aquaculture frags.

I like to have a mix of maris and named pieces in the tank when first starting so it doesn't look so bare but over time, I usually phase out the maris to make room for my named pieces, unless I find a gem of a mariculture... Then I name it. [emoji16]

All I can say is avoid spathulata and abrotanoides. They will reel you in with their amazing colors straight from the facility but are crazy difficult and often don't make the transition. I personally avoid millis these days too... Talk about ultimate bait and switch. They have ridiculous colors coming in and all end up turning into pretty boring colors under our lights for the most part. Plus, they have the highest mortality rate in my system... I've probably bought over 30+ maris over the years, with probably a 80% survival rate long-term and the 20% of deaths, about 3/4 of that are millis. They just do great for 2-3 months and then spend the next 3 slowly STNing away. Just my personal experience though, maybe they just don't like my tank. FWIW, my aquacultured millis are growing just fine.

Here's exactly what I'm talking about with the old tank. I circled all the maris. Makes it look fuller when you first start your tank so you aren't staring at a bunch of 1" sticks.

I sold most of them off over the years as my named pieces started growing larger. The gems I kept and named.

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As opposed to the new tank where I have a bunch more named pieces and much less maris.

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Happy Reefing!
 
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Aquacultured in the red circles :oops: ;) - we don't get ANY aquacultured stuff here(South Africa)

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I really agree with your don't babysit them in the sand point,Im running 4xG4 pro's on 100% on AB+ & still haven't been able to find something i can hurt, excluding putting up high bleached or deepwaters of course
 
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Aquacultured in the red circles :oops: ;) - we don't get ANY aquacultured stuff here(South Africa)

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I really agree with your don't babysit them in the sand point,Im running 4xG4 pro's on 100% on AB+ & still haven't been able to find something i can hurt, excluding putting up high bleached or deepwaters of course
Haha, that's awesome! Tank looks amazing! I wish I had access to all those beautiful colonies!
 

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Haha, that's awesome! Tank looks amazing! I wish I had access to all those beautiful colonies!

Yeah as a colour hunter its not so great tho - a lot of buy & try and way too much green options, mostly the junk that gets shipped here.
Farmer i seen a icp of yours today in a thread & noticed your strontium was holding up pretty good even tho you weren't dosing it or doing water change's, What media were/are you running in your carx?
 
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Yeah as a colour hunter its not so great tho - a lot of buy & try and way too much green options, mostly the junk that gets shipped here.
Farmer i seen a icp of yours today in a thread & noticed your strontium was holding up pretty good even tho you weren't dosing it or doing water change's, What media were/are you running in your carx?

Ahhh, I see the dilemma there with the colonies.

I use TLF Reborn media. I found it interesting that my Strontium didn't really need dosing either.

I just sent in my annual Triton test last week so I hope to get the 2018 results in soon.
 
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Speaking of no water changes though, I just did a series of changes this month, almost totalling 100% TWV to see if I can right the ship with my gonis. They all started to decline around the beginning of the year right when all my acros started to go nuts and color up and grow like crazy. How odd that acros got haopier and gonis were ticked... Especially when they coexisted just fine for years in my old tank.
 

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Ahhh, I see the dilemma there with the colonies.

I use TLF Reborn media. I found it interesting that my Strontium didn't really need dosing either.

I just sent in my annual Triton test last week so I hope to get the 2018 results in soon.

Cool thanks, will get some & try it, I'm using ARM xtra coarse & the strontium just drops away even after correcting it but if i dose strontium i notice my Ca starts to rise slowly like the sps is somehow taking to the strontium instead......weirdness.

Speaking of no water changes though, I just did a series of changes this month, almost totalling 100% TWV to see if I can right the ship with my gonis. They all started to decline around the beginning of the year right when all my acros started to go nuts and color up and grow like crazy. How odd that acros got haopier and gonis were ticked... Especially when they coexisted just fine for years in my old tank.

I wonder what that's about, maybe the icp will show up something for you - i'm No3 1.0 ppm area & Po4 0.03 & both are ok
 
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Cool thanks, will get some & try it, I'm using ARM xtra coarse & the strontium just drops away even after correcting it but if i dose strontium i notice my Ca starts to rise slowly like the sps is somehow taking to the strontium instead......weirdness.



I wonder what that's about, maybe the icp will show up something for you - i'm No3 1.0 ppm area & Po4 0.03 & both are ok

I remember vaguely that Strontium can be a replacement for Ca during acropora skeletal formation... That would corroborate with your observations.

Yeah, really odd. Same parameters that they were happy in before so I assumed some type of contaminant got into the system so I've been doing water changes to dilute and remove.

I grabbed the water sample prior to the water changes and will be running one after the water changes as well if the gonis improve and maybe I'll have some useful information to share that might be beneficial to us goni lovers too.
 

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I agree with you. I'm old so I'm impatient for growth. I have used mari's and wild pieces to fill in for now. I have a select few named pieces. As they grow I'll deal with the inevitable decisions. I do have a different routine though. They go in my system at "normal" levels, alk at 8.5 -9, etc.. I figure they will make it or they won't. I've tried it all over from 7.0 to 10 and it never really changed my survival rate, so. I do keep a dirtier tank than some. No3 above 10 and Po4 around .08 -1.0. Maybe that matters, maybe not. I'm also all T5's. Nice thread Ty.
 

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Ive always intended for my new build to be 50/50 maricultured/aquacultured frags. You definitely can't beat the price, especially when single 1 inch frag can cost as much.

But you're right with how sensitive they can be and its a gamble with colors. I've also lost plenty, sometimes bc my alk fluctuated when my nutrients were getting low in my old 75g.

What I am concerned about is the whole Indonesian stoppage. Was gonna rely on a constant supply of Bali maris at the LFS... I timed my build perfectly ha.
 

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Yea the block on indo stuff has really hampered my collecting :(

I find almost all mari stuff is beautiful, they dont culture brown or green duds. A lot of these acros need very high light and flow to show any of their natural colors. Also once a mari is happy they typically grow very well, depending on species and area of origin.
 

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Nice thread. I have the worst luck with maris but I like the idea of getting possible acro crabs, the lotto with finding a gem and the instant reef look. I used to keep my alk at 8.5, but after talking to some folks that have had success, I've since kept my alk at 7.5 with decent nutrients, no3 at 4-5ppm and po4 at around .04 to .16 recently.

I know they are an issue, but I've me some suharsonoi. My goal is to find another blue or yellow one. That and a spathulata.
 
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Nice thread. I have the worst luck with maris but I like the idea of getting possible acro crabs, the lotto with finding a gem and the instant reef look. I used to keep my alk at 8.5, but after talking to some folks that have had success, I've since kept my alk at 7.5 with decent nutrients, no3 at 4-5ppm and po4 at around .04 to .16 recently.

I know they are an issue, but I've me some suharsonoi. My goal is to find another blue or yellow one. That and a spathulata.
That's everyone's dreams, surhasoni and spathulatas!
 
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I agree with you. I'm old so I'm impatient for growth. I have used mari's and wild pieces to fill in for now. I have a select few named pieces. As they grow I'll deal with the inevitable decisions. I do have a different routine though. They go in my system at "normal" levels, alk at 8.5 -9, etc.. I figure they will make it or they won't. I've tried it all over from 7.0 to 10 and it never really changed my survival rate, so. I do keep a dirtier tank than some. No3 above 10 and Po4 around .08 -1.0. Maybe that matters, maybe not. I'm also all T5's. Nice thread Ty.

Thanks Tripdad and thank you for contributing. I also think T5 and MHs might be a little easier of lights to transition to but I added plenty back in the day when running LEDs.
 
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Definitely can be sensitive but once settled, are just as durable as aquacultured in my mind. It just takes a stable tank to give them a good shot in the first place.
Ive always intended for my new build to be 50/50 maricultured/aquacultured frags. You definitely can't beat the price, especially when single 1 inch frag can cost as much.

But you're right with how sensitive they can be and its a gamble with colors. I've also lost plenty, sometimes bc my alk fluctuated when my nutrients were getting low in my old 75g.

What I am concerned about is the whole Indonesian stoppage. Was gonna rely on a constant supply of Bali maris at the LFS... I timed my build perfectly ha.
 

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Nice thread. I have the worst luck with maris but I like the idea of getting possible acro crabs, the lotto with finding a gem and the instant reef look. I used to keep my alk at 8.5, but after talking to some folks that have had success, I've since kept my alk at 7.5 with decent nutrients, no3 at 4-5ppm and po4 at around .04 to .16 recently.

I know they are an issue, but I've me some suharsonoi. My goal is to find another blue or yellow one. That and a spathulata.

You found a blue shusharoni???

Has anyone else noticed how all the really nice wild gems are always ones that brown very easily?
 

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My maricultured pieces are having no problems with 9dkh at all. I also feed extremely heavy. And use reef roids and reef chili every few days.
 
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