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You'll start to see little white speckles on your glass when their population explodes. Watch closely and you will see those white speckles move suddenly, then stop. Then move again. Pods!

Make sure you feed them a few times a week with phytoplankton it will help the near microscopic ones grow quickly and reproduce. Phyto has a nice ancillary benefit of feeding your corals and competing with bad algae in the tank as well.
Ya, everyone says that..I don't see them. I bought photo feast from lfs.maybe not adding enough??? I have some white specs, lol but they don't move!!!!
Maybe I should start over with new bottle of pods and new plankton. How often to add...no corals just one mushroom. I have sebae anemone, pair of clowns and 6 chromis...
How to add plankton and get pods going????
 

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I have had a pair of captive bred Mandarins in my IM 30 EXT for a year now. I have added pods maybe 3 times over the year. I feed TDO pellets everyday and they eat those along with the pods. The center chamber of the sump just has rock, I don't run filter socks or any mechanical filtration.
 

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Wow, mine will be Biota also...
Do you feed your pods??
So I have a 75g tank with a 20g sump that’s heavily geared around being a refugium for microfauna, so there’s a self sustaining population there just from the general operation of the tank.

I did start by culturing - one lesson learned from my experience is that some types of pod just don’t do well in reef tanks. Tigger pods, for example, are popular to culture because they culture well and you can see them easily - but IME they don’t survive in tanks. They swim in the water and are big enough for most planktivores in the tank to go after, so just get wiped out, and any that don’t it seems the tank temps are slightly too high for them to properly breed. I must have added millions of them to the tank and never saw any last more than a few days.

Tisbe pods do seem to do well and will colonize, not 100% sure on other commercial pods.

Wild pods come in on just about anything wet - corals, rocks, snails, etc etc. A lot of these will colonize tanks.

You’ll never see copepods on the rocks - they’re just too small, and will rarely see them free swimming. If you want to see if you have any you’ll need to turn your power heads off at night, turn all room lights off, and then go around lighting up panes of glass from the side with a flashlight, if theyre in there they’ll show up as tiny specks moving around the glass. If you let the water settle for a while and look at a flashlight beam through the water from the side you will also sometimes see pods swimming in the beam of light.

One other comment - pods are one of the foundational layers of the food pyramid in our tanks - a huge array of things eat them, not just mandarins. Eg: most planktivore fish will eat them, a lot of corals eat them, sponges eat them, anemones eat them, even other pods, amphipods and so on eat pods. IMO (and others have different opinions) this is part of what makes it a gamble to culture pods, your tank ecosystem will adapt to the supply, kinda forcing you to keep up the supply or risk things getting out of balance.

One positive about these fish: IMO they’re only challenging if your tank isn’t set up to sustain them. If you have a setup that does produce enough food for them then they’re very hardy and very low maintenance fish. Disease resistant, conflict resistant, and take care of themselves getting fed.
 
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As Paul B stated above, 10 years is a good life span for a mandarin. Did you inherit yours 10 years ago? I doubt it, because you posted you started yoyr tank in March 5 months ago. You are essentially brand new to mandarin care and have not garnered the tenure and experience necessary to call yourself successful with a difficult species of fish. I only consider myself partially successful after 3 years but I have learned what it takes to sustain a mandarin. I do sincerely hope you are successful long term though with the fish.
I am and will be successful based on my research and progress with the fish thus far. I have had enormous pod population growth by doing my research. You came at me with a very condescending response and quite frankly, snobby. If your livestock is happy and has the proper food and care, then you are successful whether it is 3 months or 3 years.
 
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I have had a pair of captive bred Mandarins in my IM 30 EXT for a year now. I have added pods maybe 3 times over the year. I feed TDO pellets everyday and they eat those along with the pods. The center chamber of the sump just has rock, I don't run filter socks or any mechanical filtration.
I just ordered tdo b2 pellets, also have frozen baby brine, cyclopods.
I have a 40 gal with hob filter with seachem matrix in it..
What do I need. Do you feed pods??
 

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I just ordered tdo b2 pellets, also have frozen baby brine, cyclopods.
I have a 40 gal with hob filter with seachem matrix in it..
What do I need. Do you feed pods??
I added pods when i put the fish in the tank. I maybe added more a couple of months later and then the third and last time I added pods was March.
 

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I am and will be successful based on my research and progress with the fish thus far. I have had enormous pod population growth by doing my research. You came at me with a very condescending response and quite frankly, snobby. If your livestock is happy and has the proper food and care, then you are successful whether it is 3 months or 3 years.
As stated above, I sincerely wish you success with the fish but 3 months is not even on the scale of success but it's good you are researching and understand the importance of pods and phyto in the tank.

P.s. there is nothing wrong with being a rookie. We are all rookies in this hobby in one way or another because if you don't learn something new here on a regular basis then you are not paying attention.
 
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Mandarins love this stuff just squirt some in the sand in front of them.

 

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As stated above, I sincerely wish you success with the fish but 3 months is not even on the scale of success but it's good you are researching and understand the importance of pods and phyto in the tank.

P.s. there is nothing wrong with being a rookie. We are all rookies in this hobby in one way or another because if you don't learn something new here on a regular basis then you are not paying attention.
I'm not a rookie to this hobby. I have a combined time invested of about 8 years. Again, snobby response veiled with your well wishes. Thanks for the feedback.
 

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I'm not a rookie to this hobby. I have a combined time invested of about 8 years. Again, snobby response veiled with your well wishes. Thanks for the feedback.
I was inferring rookie to mandarins but I can tell you are an expert at everything. Your thread history speaks volumes. You will be wonderfully successful I'm sure.
 

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I have had a pair of captive bred Mandarins in my IM 30 EXT for a year now. I have added pods maybe 3 times over the year. I feed TDO pellets everyday and they eat those along with the pods. The center chamber of the sump just has rock, I don't run filter socks or any mechanical filtration.
It is easier to take a good flaslight at night and shine it into the tank. Sometimes they look like little rings.
 

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If you get one that eats bloodworms, mysis or brine you should be fine. I don't have copepods
 

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Thinking about getting a mandarin in the next month..
Love ideas on how to get them started.
I will be getting small, captive breed .
The captive breed can be fed prepared food. Once we meet their dietary requirements they will be fine. Biota sells captive breed ones which comes eating prepared food. It's a myth that they can only eat pods. Like all other fish we keep; they didn't eat prepared food in the wild but we figured out what they needed and suppied it to them. Good luck. :)
 

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Easier than phyto as I don't worry terribly about sterilizing equipment weekly. Super simply setup. I use a 14qt plastic totes with some plumbing (in hindsight, I'd go with these). An air pump hooked up to a stone and some tubing to provide circulation. Feed them phyto fairly regularly. I keep tisbe, tigriopus and apocyclops. All separated as the apocyclops are voracious eaters and will outcompete the other two. They get natural sunlight from the windows, but I don't provide artificial lighting. I have to feed the apocyclops regularly. Daily in fact (I usually skip Sundays). The tisbe can go a few days and the tigriopus are good for about two days between feedings. I just dump in enough phyto to tint the water a bit and then move on. Occasionally I'll run it all through the spigot and then a series of micron mesh filters to I can then clean out the totes. That's a pita, but I only do it once a month (or more).

Here's a pic of my school setup. Tisbe on the left, then tigriopus and two totes of apocyclops.
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To put it simple, you just add air, water and pods (and food) and then the pod just explodes in population? thanks
 

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I added pods when i put the fish in the tank. I maybe added more a couple of months later and then the third and last time I added pods was March.
i bought a urchin for my algae problem and its been working well but my clowns have started spawning and wanted to know weather i should separate them for now and the clowns laid on rocks so I cant move the eggs either

I have had a pair of captive bred Mandarins in my IM 30 EXT for a year now. I have added pods maybe 3 times over the year. I feed TDO pellets everyday and they eat those along with the pods. The center chamber of the sump just has rock, I don't run filter socks or any mechanical filtration.

I just ordered tdo b2 pellets, also have frozen baby brine, cyclopods.
I have a 40 gal with hob filter with seachem matrix in it..
What do I need. Do you feed pods??
Folks, go back to page 1 and re read my post...captive bread, you have a great chance of long term survival. We did Pods for 3 months in my Nephews 13.5 Evo Tank, he put a mandarin in at the 3 month mark, he is fat and happy, and we no longer dose Pods. He started his tank this past December, put a mandarin in March, doing awesome.

You must get one from an lfs who gets them 100% captive bread from ORA, BIOTA etc... you guys with all your issues and ideas are far off. It's 2024,,not 1994, they have figured our captive breeding now, better than ever before.

If we can have one in a brand new 13.5 Evo Tank, after 3 months, I'm fairly certain you can all have one too. It must be captive bread.
 

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Folks, go back to page 1 and re read my post...captive bread, you have a great chance of long term survival. We did Pods for 3 months in my Nephews 13.5 Evo Tank, he put a mandarin in at the 3 month mark, he is fat and happy, and we no longer dose Pods. He started his tank this past December, put a mandarin in March, doing awesome.

You must get one from an lfs who gets them 100% captive bread from ORA, BIOTA etc... you guys with all your issues and ideas are far off. It's 2024,,not 1994, they have figured our captive breeding now, better than ever before.

If we can have one in a brand new 13.5 Evo Tank, after 3 months, I'm fairly certain you can all have one too. It must be captive bread.
I never said I had issues. I've had a pair for over a year now. I simply stated I added pods a few times over the year and feed tdo pellets. Implying that you don't need to add pods every week as others are doing.
 

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I realize that mandarins have received a lot of ink in the decades since they were added to fish we keep and maybe in the beginning I also had difficulty with them. I don't remember. But I find mandarins about the easiest fish we can keep and the most disease resistant as long as the tank is set up correctly and has some age on it.

I also find them very easy to spawn, although I never had any interest in raising them but I would imagine that also is fairly easy as far as salt water fish go.



But, as I said before, if your tank is to small, to new or to clean, you will have problems.

Any tank large enough, I would say about 50 gallons and old enough maybe 4 or 5 years without stark white rocks should grow ample amounts of pods. I have never bought a pod in my life and wouldn't even know where to get them if I wanted to.




Of course you could easily build a Mandarin feeder which I invented and I think now someone sells them (not me).
But it shouldn't be needed unless you have a lot of pod eaters or a newer tank. But natural pods naturally living and reproducing on their own is a sure bet to success and any tank should have them.

In a newer tank I would also occasionally throw some sinking pellets behind the rocks for pod food. But thats just me
 

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I will research a pod hotel??
A pod hotel made of plastic is not much better than highly porous live rock. Or even a sponge from an HOB external filter. I would never buy one of those.

They eat 1000s of pods every day so be prepared to add a jar of pods weekly to your tank.
I have a red mandarin i relocated from my main DT plumbed into a 15 gallon tank, sharing a common sump. I put my sensitive small critters that I want to observe closely in the 15, where it has milder flow for my red mandarin and 2 pairs of yasha hasha gobies each paired with a red banded randall's pistol shrimp amongst my frags from my DT.

I have not seen the red mandarin ever eat anything in the DT nor eat any foods I give the gobies and shrimps in the 15g. He has been with me for over a year now. 6 Months in the new 15 gallon tank. He is not skinny, but he is not plump either. His belly is slightly rounded, convex and not concave/sunken in like a starving fish when I first got him. But he has started to develop the long finnage of a male dorsal fin, so I know he's healthy.

My theory is that he is ok in the 15g, because he grazes along the rocks and sand and the sump pumps in ~250 gph of refugium water (post-skimmer) and replenishes the pods. I also have a ton of chaeto from my sump/refugium that I sort of let sit around in the 15g frag/critter tank. The flow is super low and it just looks like a refugium. I think the fact that I don't clean it at all and leave chaeto floating around helps with the pods.

I think if it was a standalone 15g and not connected to the 30 gallon sump and 90 gallon display tank, the red Mandarin, Manny wouldn't be able to survive. Here is the setup and a closeup of the 15 frag/goby pistol/dragonet messy tank. Its almost impossible to get a photo of the red mandarin because he is always zipping around the rocks. Poop. I'd love to see him more out in the open, but he has a shy personality.

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You are essentially brand new to mandarin care and have not garnered the tenure and experience necessary to call yourself successful with a difficult species of fish. I only consider myself partially successful after 3 years but I have learned what it takes to sustain a mandarin.
Wow.

Lets not go here and judge other peoples passion level. I understand you think you consider yourself partially successful on the 3rd year, and I congratulate your opinion of yourself. But let's not judge anyone else who could potentially become an expert at the 1st year. We can judge equipment, fish and reefing methods, but don't judge other people.
 
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A pod hotel made of plastic is not much better than highly porous live rock. Or even a sponge from an HOB external filter. I would never buy one of those.


I have a red mandarin i relocated from my main DT plumbed into a 15 gallon tank, sharing a common sump. I put my sensitive small critters that I want to observe closely in the 15, where it has milder flow for my red mandarin and 2 pairs of yasha hasha gobies each paired with a red banded randall's pistol shrimp amongst my frags from my DT.

I have not seen the red mandarin ever eat anything in the DT nor eat any foods I give the gobies and shrimps in the 15g. He has been with me for over a year now. 6 Months in the new 15 gallon tank. He is not skinny, but he is not plump either. His belly is slightly rounded, convex and not concave/sunken in like a starving fish when I first got him. But he has started to develop the long finnage of a male dorsal fin, so I know he's healthy.

My theory is that he is ok in the 15g, because he grazes along the rocks and sand and the sump pumps in ~250 gph of refugium water (post-skimmer) and replenishes the pods. I also have a ton of chaeto from my sump/refugium that I sort of let sit around in the 15g frag/critter tank. The flow is super low and it just looks like a refugium. I think the fact that I don't clean it at all and leave chaeto floating around helps with the pods.

I think if it was a standalone 15g and not connected to the 30 gallon sump and 90 gallon display tank, the red Mandarin, Manny wouldn't be able to survive. Here is the setup and a closeup of the 15 frag/goby pistol/dragonet messy tank. Its almost impossible to get a photo of the red mandarin because he is always zipping around the rocks. Poop. I'd love to see him more out in the open, but he has a shy personality.

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Wow.

Lets not go here and judge other peoples passion level. I understand you think you consider yourself partially successful on the 3rd year, and I congratulate your opinion of yourself. But let's not judge anyone else who could potentially become an expert at the 1st year. We can judge equipment, fish and reefing methods, but don't judge other people.
appreciate this. I was like “is he serious?”
 
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