Hemmdog’s 90gal Seaciety and 40gal Vale of Shadows

[ngoodermuth]

This all started when I went to Hawaii and my tank sitter didn’t run our air. It was hot in my place for 6 days. When I got home the abt looked like this. He has looked the same for a month now . If it was velvet I would think he’d be long dead by now.
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This one also, @HotRocks

 

[Hemmdog]

 

[HotRocks]

This one also, @HotRocks

Sure looks like velvet. Even the clown looks like velvet.

A well established fish that is very healthy can certainly live for several weeks with a velvet affliction.

Have we done any freshwater dips? I once dealt with a fluke strain that looked very similar to this. The spots on the fins of the tang look flukish. I think I made that word up .

It is hard to make a 100% positive diagnosis based on these pics. Interested to see what @4FordFamily and @Big G think as well.

 

[Hemmdog]

Just took these

Those 3 are the worst

This looks more like ich to me

I think my yellow tang is healthy? He’s had a little hlle I think behind his eye since I’ve had him.

Firefish seems healthy

Potter’s seems healthy.

Black leopard seems healthy

Azure seems healthy

Watchman seems good besides swimming up towards the surface more than usual. Maybe a little fluke on his head if you can see in the pic.

Thanks everyone for helping out. It really means a lot .

 

[Hemmdog]

I posted this in katrinas thread, I’ll post it here as well.
If I buy online or at other LFS other than my main LFS I qt fish. Fw dip then observation. I’ve never seen anything on any of my fish so they all made it to the display after 2 months. I don’t run uv I didn’t have funding for a proper uv like a pentair when I was setting this tank up. My main LFS owner is also a good friend of mine. He only buys healthy fish, then qt’s them in copper then observation for another month before they go into the shop. I haven’t added anything recently from there anyways.
I am horrible at catching fish.
I feed frozen 3x daily. Hakari mysis for smaller fish, pe mysis for bigger fish. Enriched in vitamin M by brightwell every 3 days. That was my prophylactic treatment to avoid disease. I do a sheet of nori weekly but the tangs don’t eat much of it. I do hakari herbivore mini pellets and the tangs go after that. Rarely but as a treat I’ll feed frozen hakari reef riot, which is like every weird sea creature and algae you can think of turned into cubes.

 

[ngoodermuth]

The first three definitely look like velvet to me.

 

[Hemmdog]

Sure looks like velvet. Even the clown looks like velvet.

A well established fish that is very healthy can certainly live for several weeks with a velvet affliction.

Have we done any freshwater dips? I once dealt with a fluke strain that looked very similar to this. The spots on the fins of the tang look flukish. I think I made that word up .

It is hard to make a 100% positive diagnosis based on these pics. Interested to see what @4FordFamily and @Big G think as well.

Originally this looked like flukes or ich. I haven’t been able to fw dip, I haven’t been successful in catching them.

 

[HotRocks]

I think it's velvet. I really do.

If it's not then it's some seriously virulent flukes.

Especially since all of your Wrasse and gobies seem fine. Not unheard of.

The tang is the best gauge to use. There could be some ich there to. Do you have a QT?

 

[Hemmdog]

I think it's velvet. I really do.

If it's not then it's some seriously virulent flukes.

Especially since all of your Wrasse and gobies seem fine. Not unheard of.

The tang is the best gauge to use. There could be some ich there to. Do you have a QT?

Short answer no. I had my original tank my biocube 32 as a qt but a few months ago it began leaking from the bottom so I had to trash it. I am willing to get a new qt but how big would it need to be for juvi tangs and other fish? I also am horrible at catching fish so that will be a major process in its own.

 

[Hemmdog]

I just sent you some more info via pm, but... one other thing not considered so far, could possibly be bacterial/viral? You said the tank was overheated for a week... maybe caused some sort of bloom? I just can’t see a tang covered in velvet living for a month like that... maybe brook.

@HotRocks @4FordFamily @BigG could use a few more eyes on this to get a positive ID. My first instinct looking at the photos was velvet, description sounds more like brook...
It’s been said that nothing at all has been added recently, but there was a heating incident while on vacation a month ago which is when symptoms started...

What could bacterial and viral be? I have been having a few minor blooms.

 

[ngoodermuth]

What could bacterial and viral be? I have been having a few minor blooms.

Now that I can clearly see the spots in the new photos... I do think it’s parasitic in nature.

Bacterial/viral infections in fish sometimes manifest as a white film or weird white/pink/red growths or patches/splotches. I’ll see if I can find an example, but I don’t think that is what this is.

Edit. This is from an old post, but this fish had flukes (confirmed via freshwater dip) and an apparent secondary infection.

 

[Hemmdog]

Now that I can clearly see the spots in the new photos... I do think it’s parasitic in nature.

Bacterial/viral infections in fish sometimes manifest as a white film or weird white/pink/red growths or patches/splotches. I’ll see if I can find an example, but I don’t think that is what this is.

Edit. This is from an old post, but this fish had flukes (confirmed via freshwater dip) and an apparent secondary infection.

That looks very similar to my abt. So flukes is a parasite, what is velvet, brook, crypto?

 

[ngoodermuth]

They are all parasites.

Flukes are actually parasitic flatworms. Brooklynella and ich are ciliate protozoans, and velvet is a dinoflagellate.

 

[Hemmdog]

They are all parasites.

Flukes are actually parasitic flatworms. Brooklynella and ich are ciliate protozoans, and velvet is a dinoflagellate.

Ah I see. Thank you for the clarification.

 

[Big G]

Early onset of Velvet can be tricky to diagnose. Any gasping for air, swimming into powerheads, twitching, etc.? The faded color on the one fish is very suspicious and a commonly seen Velvet symptom; but sometimes flukes can present the same way as the lack of O2 affects the coloration of the fish.

 

[ngoodermuth]

Early onset of Velvet can be tricky to diagnose. Any gasping for air, swimming into powerheads, twitching, etc.? The faded color on the one fish is very suspicious and a commonly seen Velvet symptom; but sometimes flukes can present the same way as the lack of O2 affects the coloration of the fish.

Good point, any weird behaviors could possibly help narrow it down. Swimming into flow, light sensitivity, twitching, scratching, yawning, etc

 

[Hemmdog]

My abt rubs himself in my acans most of the day and hides from light the rest of the time. The cardinal now hangs out on the bottom when before he would always be near the surface. My two leopard wrasses swim circles around the powerheads all day now. Blue hippo scratches on the sand rarely but I’ve seen it a few times. The clown acts the same.

No gasping for air. The time frame is also over a month now. So that’s the only reason I’m not convinced it’s velvet.

 

[HotRocks]

What could bacterial and viral be? I have been having a few minor blooms.

The blooms could also be a contributing factor by lowering the available oxygen in your tank allowing whatever this is to really take hold as well.

 

[HotRocks]

My abt rubs himself in my acans most of the day and hides from light the rest of the time. The cardinal now hangs out on the bottom when before he would always be near the surface. My two leopard wrasses swim circles around the powerheads all day now. Blue hippo scratches on the sand rarely but I’ve seen it a few times. The clown acts the same.

No gasping for air. The time frame is also over a month now. So that’s the only reason I’m not convinced it’s velvet.

Light sensitivity, and swimming into or near flow constantly are also a symptom.

Velvet invades the gills heavily. Causes discomfort and limits oxygen supply. It also afflicts the eyes which is what causes the light sensitivity.

I'm not trying to he a negative Nancy, it sounds more and more like velvet.

If I were in your shoes I would start working on a QT setup.

 

[Hemmdog]

Light sensitivity, and swimming into or near flow constantly are also a symptom.

Velvet invades the gills heavily. Causes discomfort and limits oxygen supply. It also afflicts the eyes which is what causes the light sensitivity.

I'm not trying to he a negative Nancy, it sounds more and more like velvet.

If I were in your shoes I would start working on a QT setup.

Sounds like a plan. My clown is getting much worse. Not moving at all. Breathing heavy and very pale. I don’t think he will survive the night