Help my fish please

Wasabiroot · Mar 24, 2021

He looks pretty rough. I would leave the pH alone. Jay knows his stuff, so you're in good hands. I know you're worried, but he's going to need time to look and feel OK.

Jay Hemdal · Mar 24, 2021

Arianna7 said:
Good morning yes we adding in the food metroplex and focus but he not only has hole he feels very sick we did ichX and forum 2 with Kanaplex because he has cloudy dots in his eyes not whole eye only dots that's I thought he has an infection too but we feeding him Metroplex can we also add it in the water because it's could get in him a little too from his skin and gills and someone told me he getting sick from low ph his ph is always stable 6.6-6.8 since we got him I don't know which ph he used to have that person wants me to add baking soda but I'm not sure about that so my fish a sluggish dt swim only swim a little for food and when he eats it's definitely seems something hurts him he has lymphocystic on his tail and it's swollen around it and I'm afraid he has in his mouth lymphocystic too but I know if he gets better it's will desappeared by it's self so forum and Kanaplex we add yesterday it's was 4th day from now on only metroplex please help if I'm doing right or maybe you know something I don't please

That pH is perfect for a cichlid of that species. How many days have you dosed the kanaplex?
Jay

Arianna7 · Mar 24, 2021

Jay Hemdal said:
That pH is perfect for a cichlid of that species. How many days have you dosed the kanaplex?
Jay

We started Saturday Furan-2 and Kanaplex so we did Furan-2 everyday and Kanaplex did 2 times with no results so today we not gonna continue

Jay Hemdal · Mar 24, 2021

Arianna7 said:
We started Saturday Furan-2 and Kanaplex so we did Furan-2 everyday and Kanaplex did 2 times with no results so today we not gonna continue

That should have been long enough - you need to give antibiotics at least five days to work, and you've done that. Therefore, it may not be a bacterial issue.

Explain to me again - what are the symptoms? As I said the hole in the head scars are likely permeant. The spot on the tail is localized, and as I said, it may just be from a virus.

Is the fish eating?

Is it breathing too fast?

Is it laying on the bottom, not swimming?

Thanks,

Jay

Arianna7 · Mar 24, 2021

Jay Hemdal said:
That should have been long enough - you need to give antibiotics at least five days to work, and you've done that. Therefore, it may not be a bacterial issue.

Explain to me again - what are the symptoms? As I said the hole in the head scars are likely permeant. The spot on the tail is localized, and as I said, it may just be from a virus.

Is the fish eating?

Is it breathing too fast?

Is it laying on the bottom, not swimming?

Thanks,

Jay

Thank you so much for helping
He breathing heavily when he eats it's clearly seems like something hurts him inside of his mouth we give him small pellets because midium pellets he spit out and we see he is hungry but can't eat now we give him only small pellets he eats but not a lot I saw on his face that it's was tiny hole I thought it's was boom bam he got spooked sometime and bum bam on the objects I thought it's was wound from that now it's big and it's really hole, he has cloudy dots in each eye, he little bloated don't swim only if for food got darker almost black, sluggish poor fish we gave him Metroplex in the water in February but back than I had carbon in filters and ammonia remover Spoonge now I took carbon out and changed Spoonge, but now we feeding him again with metroplex from Saturday he eat but today I want to do 75-80 water change and add Metroplex in water too what do u think?

Arianna7 · Mar 24, 2021

Arianna7 said:
Thank you so much for helping
He breathing heavily when he eats it's clearly seems like something hurts him inside of his mouth we give him small pellets because midium pellets he spit out and we see he is hungry but can't eat now we give him only small pellets he eats but not a lot I saw on his face that it's was tiny hole I thought it's was boom bam he got spooked sometime and bum bam on the objects I thought it's was wound from that now it's big and it's really hole, he has cloudy dots in each eye, he little bloated don't swim only if for food got darker almost black, sluggish poor fish we gave him Metroplex in the water in February but back than I had carbon in filters and ammonia remover Spoonge now I took carbon out and changed Spoonge, but now we feeding him again with metroplex from Saturday he eat but today I want to do 75-80 water change and add Metroplex in water too what do u think?

We tried ichX too last week did 3-4 days

Jay Hemdal · Mar 24, 2021

At this point, it seems that you have tried most medications. The only one you haven't tried is Prazipro. I don't see a lot of symptoms that Prazipro would help, but it might help with the cloudy eyes (that are sometimes caused by flukes).
I would for sure do a 50% water change with dechlorinated water to try and get back any issues with the water quality.

Jay

Arianna7 · Mar 24, 2021

Yes I know no one know what's with him no I will do metroplex because he has hole in the head since July his ammonia always been 0 nitrate never went more than 20 nitrite 0 ph 6.6-6.8 today will do water change 75 percent and no more other meds in June he got sick he turned completely black he ate good he had good appetite but he swimmed vertical I added the picture so metroplex help him or every day water changes I wasn't sure what happened to him in June his poop wasn't stringy was normal but now he is much worst

Arianna7 · Mar 24, 2021

Jay Hemdal said:
At this point, it seems that you have tried most medications. The only one you haven't tried is Prazipro. I don't see a lot of symptoms that Prazipro would help, but it might help with the cloudy eyes (that are sometimes caused by flukes).
I would for sure do a 50% water change with dechlorinated water to try and get back any issues with the water quality.

Jay

And Furan-2 is for cloudy eyes too but he doesn't have his whole eye cloudy it's only white cloudy dots in the middle of eyes

Arianna7 · Mar 24, 2021

Arianna7 said:
And Furan-2 is for cloudy eyes too but he doesn't have his whole eye cloudy it's only white cloudy dots in the middle of eyes

He is not scraching or shaking his head

gabemostafa23 · Mar 24, 2021

Welcome !

Jay Hemdal · Mar 24, 2021

Ultimately, this just may not be treatable. Chronic mycobacterium is pretty common in older cichlids - lethargy and dark coloration are two symptoms, but the hole in the head or cloudy eyes really are not. However, there is no treatment for it.
Jay

Arianna7 · Mar 24, 2021

Jay Hemdal said:
At this point, it seems that you have tried most medications. The only one you haven't tried is Prazipro. I don't see a lot of symptoms that Prazipro would help, but it might help with the cloudy eyes (that are sometimes caused by flukes).
I would for sure do a 50% water change with dechlorinated water to try and get back any issues with the water quality.

Jay

I just did him 80 % of water change he seems worst after FURAN and Kanaplex
I think he is laying on his left side a little
I did ichX after FURAN and Kanaplex it's someone did recommend me

Maybe don't add any meds at all or metroplex is required???

Arianna7 · Mar 24, 2021

Jay Hemdal said:
Ultimately, this just may not be treatable. Chronic mycobacterium is pretty common in older cichlids - lethargy and dark coloration are two symptoms, but the hole in the head or cloudy eyes really are not. However, there is no treatment for it.
Jay

Arianna7 · Mar 24, 2021

And why he is bloated? What is mycobacteria??
It's only him in the tank where he could get it? The pictures I add it's from summer now he is dark but not black

Jay Hemdal · Mar 25, 2021

Arianna7 said:
And why he is bloated? What is mycobacteria??
It's only him in the tank where he could get it? The pictures I add it's from summer now he is dark but not black

Mycobacteria is essentially fish tuberculous. It is found in every aquarium, even frozen fish food and tap water. As fish age, they become more susceptible to this bacteria. Symptoms are so widely variable that it is difficult to make an accurate diagnosis: cloudy, protruding eyes, skin ulcers, dark coloration, bloating or thinness, poor skin condition. Final diagnosis is made by looking at the internal organs for pockets of bacteria (by a veterinarian). There is no effective treatment, sorry. I'm not saying 100% that this is the problem with your fish, but we've ruled out so many other issues, that sort of leaves this fairly common one.

Jay

Arianna7 · Mar 25, 2021

No its not that!

Jay Hemdal said:
Mycobacteria is essentially fish tuberculous. It is found in every aquarium, even frozen fish food and tap water. As fish age, they become more susceptible to this bacteria. Symptoms are so widely variable that it is difficult to make an accurate diagnosis: cloudy, protruding eyes, skin ulcers, dark coloration, bloating or thinness, poor skin condition. Final diagnosis is made by looking at the internal organs for pockets of bacteria (by a veterinarian). There is no effective treatment, sorry. I'm not saying 100% that this is the problem with your fish, but we've ruled out so many other issues, that sort of leaves this fairly common one.

Jay