Fritz Salt Issues?

[MnFish1]

I’m just interested to see those ICP’s. It’s really bugging me as to what this could be.

Agree more ICP tests would be good - one problem though - is ICP tests won't show everything. For example - if I mixed a cup of cyanide into a bag of salt - the ICP test wouldn't show anything abnormal - or?

And lets say the 'vanadium' is high - how do we know that thats what caused the problem? - unless everyone using the salt had the problem? and all of the people not using the salt did not have the problem - we would be having the same 'discussion'.

 

[Tyler Bullock]

I don't think icp will catch anything. They don't test for contamination. Unless they do? I've never used one.

 

[lakai]

Agree more ICP tests would be good - one problem though - is ICP tests won't show everything. For example - if I mixed a cup of cyanide into a bag of salt - the ICP test wouldn't show anything abnormal - or?

Better than nothing. It might be a good idea to give people peace of mind and help protect the mfg as well. Overall good idea.

 

[Reefahholic]

Salt mfg's should ICP every batch and make it easy to check online the way aquaforrest does. This should be standard practice considering how much we pay for salt.

Sounds like a good idea.

 

[MnFish1]

Better than nothing. It might be a good idea to give people peace of mind and help protect the mfg as well. Overall good idea.

My guess is that every manufacturer has quality control processes in place for batches of salt. ICP may or may not be the best way to ensure quality batch to batch. As multiple others have stated - if you search this site for almost every brand of salt - you will hear nearly identical comments pro and con.

EDIT - BTW - if you have looked at any of the videos on ICP testing - comparing 1 vs another - the variability is so high that to me it makes it almost worthless . Now - I would hope that a company who was testing their salt would use a higher grade of testing than we have available as consumers.

 

[lakai]

My guess is that every manufacturer has quality control processes in place for batches of salt. ICP may or may not be the best way to ensure quality batch to batch. As multiple others have stated - if you search this site for almost every brand of salt - you will hear nearly identical comments pro and con.

EDIT - BTW - if you have looked at any of the videos on ICP testing - comparing 1 vs another - the variability is so high that to me it makes it almost worthless . Now - I would hope that a company who was testing their salt would use a higher grade of testing than we have available as consumers.

I'm going to put you on the nationwide aquarium trade ban list if you keep this up.

 

[MnFish1]

I'm going to put you on the nationwide aquarium trade ban list if you keep this up.

I'm probably already on several lists

 

[SeaDweller]

dayyyyuuummm!!! This thread is juicier than all the "which salt is better" threads!!! keep it up!!!

just to add fuel to the fire, forget Fritz!






(j/k!)

 

[TheHarold]

I'm going to put you on the nationwide aquarium trade ban list if you keep this up.

Agreed!!!! Can we start a petition?

 

[shred5]

Every couple of years we go through this with the hot salt at the time..

Salt become the latest and greatest because someone shows a awsum picture of their tank and says they used this or that salt and the salt become popular. A little later down the road someone has a issue and thinks maybe it is their salt. Others that have issues start thinking maybe their issues are the salt too. It spreads to other message boards and FB or YouTube or other social media. A few people defend the salt because they have not had a issue yet.

How many remember all the way back to the Marinemix Crystal Sea Bio-Assay salt. Everyone jumped on this salt..

First of it is all ancedotal, could be the salt or it may not be..

That said I have had bad batches of salt. I had a batch once that almost wiped my tank. I also learned to test each batch first for at least Calcium, magnesium and alk. I bet I have had almost a dozen or more now bad batches of salt.
I had some last year where magnesium was so high it didn't register on several test kits. After that issue I decided to stick with IO... It has never let me down..

The only other salt I have used enough that is always consistent is TM.

 

[Tyler Bullock]

I think this would be interesting.

Have a 100% Fritz supporter offer to buy Rico's Salt from him and use it in their own tank. Start up a thread or upload to youtube and document what happens. Follow your own procedures and just do 10% water changes.

 

[Kyuss414]

I just did a WC about a week ago with Fritz, will have to keep an eye on this.

Lot # on the box sticker is 35108.8

FWIW I mix it the day before I do the WC, and test Alk/Ca/Mg the day I do the WC, about 24 hours later...
35ppt
78°F
Alk 8.4
Ca 430
Mg 1400

This was out of a 55lb/200G box I bought back in May, and is my 3rd* WC with it since.
*First WC with it was split with the IO I still had left. Picked this up when the LFS was having a sale and it was like $42 for the box iirc.

I'm also softie/LPS only, no SPS.

 

[TheHarold]

I think this would be interesting.

Have a 100% Fritz supporter offer to buy Rico's Salt from him and use it in their own tank. Start up a thread or upload to youtube and document what happens. Follow your own procedures and just do 10% water changes.

I would if I was local ‍.

 

[Reefahholic]

I would if I was local ‍♂.

You should get it for free.

 

[Reefahholic]

I would if I was local ‍♂.

That's a great idea. Who will test Rico's salt?! ANY TAKERS!

 

[MnFish1]

I think this would be interesting.

Have a 100% Fritz supporter offer to buy Rico's Salt from him and use it in their own tank. Start up a thread or upload to youtube and document what happens. Follow your own procedures and just do 10% water changes.

It’s even easier than that. Rico could put a frag In newly mixed fritz water and see if it’s reproducible. If it is then it could still be multitudes of other causes. If not then it suggests the salt was not responsible. If it is really as toxic as what is suggested

 

[MnFish1]

That's a great idea. Who will test Rico's salt?! ANY TAKERS!

Rico should test his own salt maybe. It would be simple. I personally would take a small tank and see if it quickly killed the whole tank. If it did I would be going back to the manufacturer

 

[madweazl]

I've always been extremely skeptical of salt being a factor (good or bad) as they're all very similar. I've used Instant Ocean (generally the cheapest) for a couple decades now; I've tried a few others along the way and never noticed a difference so I always went back to IO (I like cheap products that are high quality, win win).

I generally change 20% of the water every week; about a year ago the magnesium levels in our reef were on the rise (I only do corrective manual dosing if need be which is maybe twice a year). Over a six week period, magnesium went from 1300 to 1500 (I test the tank every Saturday) so I decided to test some fresh mixed water and the levels were 1600+ IIRC. I contacted Tetra and gave them batch # and they sent a free replacement. That was the only bucket/box of salt I've had an issue with and it was minor at that (I'm much more diligent about testing more frequently than I was 10-20 years ago too though). I only bring it up to state that issues can arise, even from tried and true products.

With that said, I would be extremely surprised if a salt mix actually caused fatal issues in a short period of time (i.e. one or two +/- 20% water changes).

On another note, I ordered a box of Tropic Marin Pro to see if I can notice a difference. Prior experience suggests I wont but I'm willing to give it a shot.

 

[Reefahholic]

RICO AT LUNCH WITH FRITZ NOW LIVE

 

[Reefahholic]

Fritz is going to Rico's house after lunch and then He's going live again.