Foxface redness around base of fins

[Reef Wizard]

Hello,

Unfortunately we are here again with my one spot foxface.

I ran into what was most likely ich with this fish and I have finished the full 30 days of copper and somehow my foxface got flukes im assuming from another tank where I had flukes on some tangs. I was sick myself for about a week a couple weeks ago and still trying to take care of my fish I may have cross contaminated.

I suspect this is gill flukes that is effecting him and the tangs. I have witnessed scratching and head shaking along with heavy breathing on both fish. The tangs have made a complete turn around and are doing well.

My foxface was doing great and eating alot last week. This is the 3rd dosing of prazi once every week. Last dose was Saturday 6/15 by the bottle dosage and running airstone 24/7.

He has developed this redness at the base of his fins. See attached

I do also believe he is shedding his mucous coat as he has some clear film coming off him. but this redness has just appeared late last night or today.

I apologize about the water clarity but with the prazi and airstone its a little cloudy. Im doing weekly 50% water changes and then dosing per prazi bottle.

I hate this for this little guy

 

[Reef Wizard]

im testing ammonia but I tried to get a video showing it doesnt appear to be gills it appears in fins

 

[Reef Wizard]

I did end up testing my QT Tank ammonia and it is 0.08ppm. But the redness on the fins is completely gone. Does this have to do with him shedding the mucous layer perhaps? #fishmedic

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I did end up testing my QT Tank ammonia and it is 0.08ppm. But the redness on the fins is completely gone. Does this have to do with him shedding the mucous layer perhaps? #fishmedic

The foxface is breathing kind of shallow and fast. The redness at the base of the pectoral fin may just be an injury.

The tank and the water looks pretty funky - sometimes that is an artifact of the method people use to get the videos, but in other cases, people get used to the way their tank looks and they don't realize there is even an issue. The water seems milky to me. Ammonia at 0.08 shouldn't cause this, can you get a whole tank shot?

Jay

 

[Reef Wizard]

The foxface is breathing kind of shallow and fast. The redness at the base of the pectoral fin may just be an injury.

The tank and the water looks pretty funky - sometimes that is an artifact of the method people use to get the videos, but in other cases, people get used to the way their tank looks and they don't realize there is even an issue. The water seems milky to me. Ammonia at 0.08 shouldn't cause this, can you get a whole tank shot?

Jay

Yes the the water is milky and I havent known of a way to fix it since I cant run carbon while running copper for 30 days and now prazi for 3 weeks. I have done like a 80% water change and it mostly gets clear but within a day its milky again. There is green algae on the bottom of the tank as I have a light on so I can monitor condition of the foxface etc

This tank just has filter socks heater and ceramic media along with two pvc hides

 

[Jay Hemdal]

That’s really murky, probably a heterotrophic bacterial bloom. Are you using Prazipro? The solvent in that can cause this. Be sure you are using an air stone, and not just circulating the water.

 

[Reef Wizard]

That’s really murky, probably a heterotrophic bacterial bloom. Are you using Prazipro? The solvent in that can cause this. Be sure you are using an air stone, and not just circulating the water.

Yes sir i am running prazi pro I have an airstone going 24/7.

 

[Reef Wizard]

@Jay Hemdal I have done 3 treatments of prazi on this fish 7 days then a waterchange then redose and he is still breathing heavy and shaking head. He goes and sits in the airstone flow for a few seconds then goes somewhere else. He seems fine after a few days but progressively gets worse it seems

Is there any other treatment I could try to get rid of these flukes? Maybe Hypo salinity? Should I do a FW dip?

Thank you sir.

 

[JayM]

I'm far from an expert on fish diseases and/or treatment, but if it were me, I'd put that fish in a bucket and do a 100% water change on that tank after a thorough scrubbing to get a fresh start.

 

[Reef Wizard]

I'm far from an expert on fish diseases and/or treatment, but if it were me, I'd put that fish in a bucket and do a 100% water change on that tank after a thorough scrubbing to get a fresh start.

at this point is probably the only way to get rid of this bloom

 

[MnFish1]

at this point is probably the only way to get rid of this bloom

I would consider dropping your light intensity down - Also a large water change. Redness on the fins always suggests infection to me. Could you be overfeeding? I assume you're done with the quarantine protocol right?

 

[Reef Wizard]

I would consider dropping your light intensity down - Also a large water change. Redness on the fins always suggests infection to me. Could you be overfeeding? I assume you're done with the quarantine protocol right?

Yeah done with the Qt prot. The redness on fins went away about 45min after I made this post and havent seen it since. I did a 50% change two days ago. Overfeeding could be possible The foxface really went off feed during the intial doses for a couple a days he eats great now

 

[MnFish1]

The good news is - that blooms resolve with time. and less nutrients - as @Jay Hemdal said.

 

[Reef Wizard]

What are these? Is this the heterotrophs? Edit I guess its pods but in a QT tank idk how

Been stressed with stuff going on in life lol past me thinking this was bacteria smh

 

[Reef Wizard]

Ok I have cleared the bloom with a UV and ran Chemipure to remove any excess prazi.
I still need help on what treatment to do next #fishmedic (I feel like a bother ugh)
I noticed today all this on his body and fins. (Could be bubbles but more I look it seems unlikely)

Symptoms I have observed
Head shaking
flicking fins really fast
sitting in airstone bubbles (really common)
sitting at top of watersurface
breathing is better but not 100%

I am at a loss. I was going to try hypo for flukes but now with this on fins im scared its velvet but I did run copper for 30 days with hanna checker prior to this never was below 2.25ppm

 

[MnFish1]

I can not see the videos - but - those symptoms sound like flukes. Is there anything new added that wasn't quarantined? I'm assuming your parameters are now normal. If needed - you could dose prazipro in your display tank.

 

[Reef Wizard]

I can not see the videos - but - those symptoms sound like flukes. Is there anything new added that wasn't quarantined? I'm assuming your parameters are now normal. If needed - you could dose prazipro in your display tank.

Nothing new added. I got a baby tang in another tank about 4 feet away and I think I cross contaminated flukes I dosed prazi pro 3 times on the tang and the foxface. Tang seems better but foxface is not

 

[MnFish1]

Nothing new added. I got a baby tang in another tank about 4 feet away and I think I cross contaminated flukes I dosed prazi pro 3 times on the tang and the foxface. Tang seems better but foxface is not

So - both fish have had 3 treatments of prazipro - if you're sure that the dose was correct, It is somewhat difficult to recommend more prazipro... Maybe others that can see the video will answer - Or if you could put it on YouTube and provide a link?

 

[Reef Wizard]

So - both fish have had 3 treatments of prazipro - if you're sure that the dose was correct, It is somewhat difficult to recommend more prazipro... Maybe others that can see the video will answer - Or if you could put it on YouTube and provide a link?

Yeah I will say when I would dose prazipro the first few days he would not have any symptoms then about day 5-7 he would start shaking his head again.

I dosed 2 weeks 7 days apart and 3rd dose was 8 days apart. Tank is at 78 degrees

 

[MnFish1]

Yeah I will say when I would dose prazipro the first few days he would not have any symptoms then about day 5-7 he would start shaking his head again.

I dosed 2 weeks 7 days apart and 3rd dose was 8 days apart. Tank is at 78 degrees

Was the dose done in a display tank or a hospital tank. I would suggest you set up a hospital tank, treat that per protocol for flukes.