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That 12 days was the time needed for the rocks to start taking effect. If sand made a significant difference you would have been able to add fish on day 1. As is seen when people use products like turbo start.
Not saying live sand is a bad thing, it isn't. Without the rocks though the sand wouldn't be enough to sustain fish for an extended period.
The argument is that live sand is just as good as live rock.and if it's not live rock, it was dry rock, we already know how fritz performs on day eight after setup plus feeding. Dr. Reef did the studies on it in his 100 page giant bottle bac thread
so either way, this cycle is done we are just trying to pinpoint the date when that already happened.
nothing stated in a test kit here would factor, because it's not from a tuned seneye (the ammonia reading, we'd ignore any data about nitrite or nitrate)
think you and me are the ones arguing that, lol. But some good info is the result. win/winThe argument is that live sand is just as good as live rock.
Not familiar with the products mentioned. I followed an unnamed article . How to do a fishless cycle, They suggest Pure Ammonia which you can buy at a hardware store. They ay start at 5ppm. However once the bacteria starts never let it go over 5ppm. So They suggest getting aq calculated fraction in volume of your tank and bring level up to 5. Then you know the exact amount to add to your tank. by the way they said put all your furnishings in tank including filtration. Then add starter bacteria So once you measure Nitrites the cycle has begun. Measure every2 to 3 days. Then start lowering ammonia input. First phase can take up to 12 days. Attention NO FISH, and NO Light's. It is quite lengthy. You can Goggle search it. If you want I will take photos and post it here for you. Let me know.Hey everyone,
I am cycling my first saltwater aquarium. My tag is a 35 gallon cube tank. I have a hang on the back filter. It has been cycling for about a week now I have live rock and live sand in the aquarium. I purchased Turbo start 900 and was wondering if it is too late to put the turbo start in or when the best time to put turbo start in, I have no fish in the tank as of now, but I know a lot of people will put turbo start in and then add fish a day or so after. Just wondering if I am on track to put the turbo star in. I also purchased Dr. Tim‘s ammonia chloride. Should I put that in before I put the turbo start in or put the turbo in and then add fish? Should I just forgo the Dr Tim’s?
Just looking for some advice.
Also, I have not purchased a light yet for the tag because a lot of what I haven’t been reading said wait until the cycle is over to add light. Any recommendations on a budget friendly light will add character to the tank. I do plan on having coral once I get full understanding of my tank.
The way I look at it is like this... with the live sand it took 12 days for a cycle to complete. However with 1 good sized live rock, you don't have to worry a cycle at all and can add fish on day 1.think you and me are the ones arguing that, lol. But some good info is the result. win/win
The problem with that 1 good sized rock for me, was it would have several hundred dollar rock, I got around 360 gallons circulating total. I think it is possible I am thinking about requirements for a large system and your geared more to smaller systems?The way I look at it is like this... with the live sand it took 12 days for a cycle to complete. However with 1 good sized live rock, you don't have to worry a cycle at all and can add fish on day 1.
I have a 90g system so smaller, but not nano. Even with your 360 gallons you don't add all the fish at once. Even a 10lb live rock would be enough to sustain the first fish or 2 in that system. Once introduced the waste from the fish would being cycling the rest of the rock.The problem with that 1 good sized rock for me, was it would have several hundred dollar rock, I got around 360 gallons circulating total. I think it is possible I am thinking about requirements for a large system and your geared more to smaller systems?
I used the Carib sea live sandIf you used Live Sand your tank is most likely cycled already. Easy way to test is to put some flake food into the water and tomorrow test for Nitrates, if you have Nitrates, your cycle is complete, Congrats. Go get a fish.
Photos would be helpful thank youNot familiar with the products mentioned. I followed an unnamed article . How to do a fishless cycle, They suggest Pure Ammonia which you can buy at a hardware store. They ay start at 5ppm. However once the bacteria starts never let it go over 5ppm. So They suggest getting aq calculated fraction in volume of your tank and bring level up to 5. Then you know the exact amount to add to your tank. by the way they said put all your furnishings in tank including filtration. Then add starter bacteria So once you measure Nitrites the cycle has begun. Measure every2 to 3 days. Then start lowering ammonia input. First phase can take up to 12 days. Attention NO FISH, and NO Light's. It is quite lengthy. You can Goggle search it. If you want I will take photos and post it here for you. Let me know.
I'd dosing ammonia you only want to let it get to 2.0. Account for displacement of rock and sand etc when calculating dosage. Once your tank can go from 2.0 to zero in 48hrs it's done. At this point you should have nitrate available which is a solid indicator that the cycle is complete.Photos would be helpful thank you