Clownfish, disease or aggression from tank mates?

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Hi everyone. I'm new to the hobby, my brother recently gave me his 50 gallon reef tank bc he's moving and couldn't take it with him. It was in bad shape at first but i did a water change, replaced the substrate, and added a cleanup crew and so far everything's been looking great on that end.

Here's where the problem starts, the tank came with an all-black clownfish, who I named Salem, this fish is the last survivor of the tank my brother kept. After the tank was fixed up I added another clownfish, followed the advice of the guy at the aquarium shop (a reputable one, I do my research I promise) and got her a small male clownfish. These two together are not an issue, she nipped at him at first but they quickly got along and started swimming together at all times. After waiting some time for them to get used to each other I did some research on good tank mates for clownfish and everything seemed to mention tangs and wrasses, and the guy at the aquarium shop also recommended the same thing, so I brought home a six line wrasse and a scopas tang, quarantined them, and acclimated them to the tank.

Everything seemed to be fine the first day, but the next day Salem would not eat. I chalked this up to stress and decided to wait a little longer to see if she would get used to the new fish and start eating again, at that point i had not witnessed any aggression between the new and established fish. I kept trying to feed her different foods but she was not interested. It has now been four days since she ate. She hasn't been heavily breathing, but sometimes she looks like she's tired and swims very slowly only to have sudden bursts of energy and look just fine. Today I noticed some tears in her fins and little white fuzzy spots on her head, all look like bites/injuries. I immediately removed her from the tank and put her in a temporary quarantine setup. The thing is, none of the other fish are having any problems. The other clownfish is much smaller and easier to spot than her (she is solid black, he is a snowflake clown) so i would expect him to be the more likely target if the newer fish are aggressive, but he seems completely fine, eating, swimming along unbothered with the other fish. Again I have never actually seen any aggression between the newer and older fish in the tank, and i tend to sit right next to it for hours watching the fish with my cat.

So there it is. The above photos are the best I could get of her, she also has a white string of something hanging on to her underneath. Please give me any suggestions for what could be wrong. It looks like the most likely culprit is bullying from the other fish, i just dont understand why the larger and more aggressive clownfish would be getting attacked while the smaller, brighter, more submissive one is not. Could it be fin rot? Parasite? An illness from the original tank before i fixed it up? Is she attacking herself out of stress? How do I help Salem heal? Please help!!




Edit: Yes I'm aware that the scopas tang will outgrow the tank. He is less than 2inches currently and I have already planned to rehome him once he outgrows the tank, and he is not what this post is about, so please dont make assumptions and be condescending in the comments. The other fish are completely fine, showing zero signs of illness or aggression. Salem is currently in a 2.5 gallon hospital tank with a filter, bubbler, live rock, and a small terracotta pot (yes i boiled the pot first). I did not add substrate to it so i would be able to see if she eats any food. I'm going out in a minute to get a heater for her as well. She is still refusing food so if there are any medications that could help that dont require her to eat i would really appreciate suggestions!
 

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First post has been answered. Please refrain from double posting on issues.
 

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Please Help!! (pics are in the link)




Hi everyone. I'm new to the hobby, my brother recently gave me his 50 gallon reef tank bc he's moving and couldn't take it with him. It was in bad shape at first but i did a water change, replaced the substrate, and added a cleanup crew and so far everything's been looking great on that end.

Here's where the problem starts, the tank came with an all-black clownfish, who I named Salem, this fish is the last survivor of the tank my brother kept. After the tank was fixed up I added another clownfish, followed the advice of the guy at the aquarium shop (a reputable one, I do my research I promise) and got her a small male clownfish. These two together are not an issue, she nipped at him at first but they quickly got along and started swimming together at all times. After waiting some time for them to get used to each other I did some research on good tank mates for clownfish and everything seemed to mention tangs and wrasses, and the guy at the aquarium shop also recommended the same thing, so I brought home a six line wrasse and a scopas tang, quarantined them, and acclimated them to the tank.

Everything seemed to be fine the first day, but the next day Salem would not eat. I chalked this up to stress and decided to wait a little longer to see if she would get used to the new fish and start eating again, at that point i had not witnessed any aggression between the new and established fish. I kept trying to feed her different foods but she was not interested. It has now been four days since she ate. She hasn't been heavily breathing, but sometimes she looks like she's tired and swims very slowly only to have sudden bursts of energy and look just fine. Today I noticed some tears in her fins and little white fuzzy spots on her head, all look like bites/injuries. I immediately removed her from the tank and put her in a temporary quarantine setup. The thing is, none of the other fish are having any problems. The other clownfish is much smaller and easier to spot than her (she is solid black, he is a snowflake clown) so i would expect him to be the more likely target if the newer fish are aggressive, but he seems completely fine, eating, swimming along unbothered with the other fish. Again I have never actually seen any aggression between the newer and older fish in the tank, and i tend to sit right next to it for hours watching the fish with my cat.

So there it is. The above photos are the best I could get of her, she also has a white string of something hanging on to her underneath. Please give me any suggestions for what could be wrong. It looks like the most likely culprit is bullying from the other fish, i just dont understand why the larger and more aggressive clownfish would be getting attacked while the smaller, brighter, more submissive one is not. Could it be fin rot? Parasite? An illness from the original tank before i fixed it up? Is she attacking herself out of stress? How do I help Salem heal? Please help!!




Edit: Yes I'm aware that the scopas tang will outgrow the tank. He is less than 2inches currently and I have already planned to rehome him once he outgrows the tank, and he is not what this post is about, so please dont make assumptions and be condescending in the comments. The other fish are completely fine, showing zero signs of illness or aggression. Salem is currently in a 2.5 gallon hospital tank with a filter, bubbler, live rock, and a small terracotta pot (yes i boiled the pot first). I did not add substrate to it so i would be able to see if she eats any food. I'm going out in a minute to get a heater for her as well. She is still refusing food so if there are any medications that could help that dont require her to eat i would really appreciate suggestions!
What extent did they fight and any mouth or gill damage?
Can you provide pics and even a video under white light intensity?
Is fish breathing normal or labored?
 
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What extent did they fight and any mouth or gill damage?
Can you provide pics and even a video under white light intensity?
Is fish breathing normal or labored?
salem nipped at the smaller clown a few times, no damage at all, and warmed up to him quickly, he has not nipped at her. she is breathing normally, just not swimming around much and staying in one spot in the tank. I have noticed that the injuries on her fins are slightly worse/larger than they were when i quarantined her, so i think i can rule out aggression from other fish on that front. i am also new to this forum and im not quite sure how to add photos/videos, but i am on my phone not my laptop so thats probably why its harder to figure out. thank you for your response!!
 

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salem nipped at the smaller clown a few times, no damage at all, and warmed up to him quickly, he has not nipped at her. she is breathing normally, just not swimming around much and staying in one spot in the tank. I have noticed that the injuries on her fins are slightly worse/larger than they were when i quarantined her, so i think i can rule out aggression from other fish on that front. i am also new to this forum and im not quite sure how to add photos/videos, but i am on my phone not my laptop so thats probably why its harder to figure out. thank you for your response!!
Please again post pics and even video under white light intensity
 
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First post has been answered. Please refrain from double posting on issues.
the website told me my post would be put up automatically after making an account but after i made one it then told me that i had not posted anything, i refreshed multiple times before trying again, sorry if it posted twice, but also i am new here and on my phone still figuring things out. like i said in the post, if youre going to make assumptions and comment anything other than helpful advice, kindly screw off
 
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Please again post pics and even video under white light intensity
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think i got it, here you go. it was hard to capture the fin tears but as you can see there is white spots around her head and a white string dangling from her. suspecting it may be ich? please let me know any suggestions for what it is and how to treat it! thanks so much
 

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the website told me my post would be put up automatically after making an account but after i made one it then told me that i had not posted anything, i refreshed multiple times before trying again, sorry if it posted twice, but also i am new here and on my phone still figuring things out. like i said in the post, if youre going to make assumptions and comment anything other than helpful advice, kindly screw off
Well nice to meet you too. It wasn't a derogatory comment. Just so the issues can be kept track of.
 

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think i got it, here you go. it was hard to capture the fin tears but as you can see there is white spots around her head and a white string dangling from her. suspecting it may be ich? please let me know any suggestions for what it is and how to treat it! thanks so much
Pics unfortunately are dark and need side view
I see what may be lymphocystis but unconfirmed
 

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Please Help!! (pics are in the link)




Hi everyone. I'm new to the hobby, my brother recently gave me his 50 gallon reef tank bc he's moving and couldn't take it with him. It was in bad shape at first but i did a water change, replaced the substrate, and added a cleanup crew and so far everything's been looking great on that end.

Here's where the problem starts, the tank came with an all-black clownfish, who I named Salem, this fish is the last survivor of the tank my brother kept. After the tank was fixed up I added another clownfish, followed the advice of the guy at the aquarium shop (a reputable one, I do my research I promise) and got her a small male clownfish. These two together are not an issue, she nipped at him at first but they quickly got along and started swimming together at all times. After waiting some time for them to get used to each other I did some research on good tank mates for clownfish and everything seemed to mention tangs and wrasses, and the guy at the aquarium shop also recommended the same thing, so I brought home a six line wrasse and a scopas tang, quarantined them, and acclimated them to the tank.

Everything seemed to be fine the first day, but the next day Salem would not eat. I chalked this up to stress and decided to wait a little longer to see if she would get used to the new fish and start eating again, at that point i had not witnessed any aggression between the new and established fish. I kept trying to feed her different foods but she was not interested. It has now been four days since she ate. She hasn't been heavily breathing, but sometimes she looks like she's tired and swims very slowly only to have sudden bursts of energy and look just fine. Today I noticed some tears in her fins and little white fuzzy spots on her head, all look like bites/injuries. I immediately removed her from the tank and put her in a temporary quarantine setup. The thing is, none of the other fish are having any problems. The other clownfish is much smaller and easier to spot than her (she is solid black, he is a snowflake clown) so i would expect him to be the more likely target if the newer fish are aggressive, but he seems completely fine, eating, swimming along unbothered with the other fish. Again I have never actually seen any aggression between the newer and older fish in the tank, and i tend to sit right next to it for hours watching the fish with my cat.

So there it is. The above photos are the best I could get of her, she also has a white string of something hanging on to her underneath. Please give me any suggestions for what could be wrong. It looks like the most likely culprit is bullying from the other fish, i just dont understand why the larger and more aggressive clownfish would be getting attacked while the smaller, brighter, more submissive one is not. Could it be fin rot? Parasite? An illness from the original tank before i fixed it up? Is she attacking herself out of stress? How do I help Salem heal? Please help!!




Edit: Yes I'm aware that the scopas tang will outgrow the tank. He is less than 2inches currently and I have already planned to rehome him once he outgrows the tank, and he is not what this post is about, so please dont make assumptions and be condescending in the comments. The other fish are completely fine, showing zero signs of illness or aggression. Salem is currently in a 2.5 gallon hospital tank with a filter, bubbler, live rock, and a small terracotta pot (yes i boiled the pot first). I did not add substrate to it so i would be able to see if she eats any food. I'm going out in a minute to get a heater for her as well. She is still refusing food so if there are any medications that could help that dont require her to eat i would really appreciate suggestions!
Tears in the fins is literally always from tankmate aggression. Fish are sly, while you are watching them, they “play nice”…you may never see any fighting.

Lethargy and not eating are symptoms of something else though.

A video under white lights would possibly help us diagnose that. YouTube hosting seems to be an easy way to do that.
 

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early brook?
Could be - but a video would help ID that (as long as all fish in the tank make it into the shot). I'm wondering if the other clown has ANY symptoms.....
 
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Could be - but a video would help ID that (as long as all fish in the tank make it into the shot). I'm wondering if the other clown has ANY symptoms.....
the other clownfish is happy and healthy, swimming fast, no marks or tears, regularly hungry and swimming along with the other fish like its no problem. i will still be treating the entire tank with anything i treat Salem with anyways just in case.
 

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