Clownfish contracted velvet or brook?

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Came home and found that my clownfish has dots on his head and white specks on his body, I can’t figure out if it is velvet or brooknella. Can someone also please recommend treatment for the fish?

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Came home and found that my clownfish has dots on his head and white specks on his body, I can’t figure out if it is velvet or brooknella. Can someone also please recommend treatment for the fish?

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This appears to be an outbreak of marine ich. Fish will have to be quarantined and treated with copper based medication - Chelated form, not ionic copper. For Australia, best medication would be Copper Power or if none, Aquasonic Oodinex but be careful with oodinex. For copperPower, treat at therapeutic level 2.0-2.25 For a FULL 30 days (do not interrupt this 30 day period) monitored by a reliable Copper Test kit such as Hanna Brand- No API brand. Also monitor Ammonia levels while in quarantine with a reliable test kit and add aeration during treatment using an air stone.
If oodinex, treat at max .05 treatment level
The display tank will have to be kept fishless (FALLOW) for 6-8 weeks to assure the existing parasites go through their life cycle without a host fish and die off
 
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This appears to be an outbreak of marine ich. Fish will have to be quarantined and treated with copper based medication - Chelated form, not ionic copper. For Australia, best medication would be Copper Power or if none, Aquasonic Oodinex but be careful with oodinex. For copperPower, treat at therapeutic level 2.0-2.25 For a FULL 30 days (do not interrupt this 30 day period) monitored by a reliable Copper Test kit such as Hanna Brand- No API brand. Also monitor Ammonia levels while in quarantine with a reliable test kit and add aeration during treatment using an air stone.
If oodinex, treat at max .05 treatment level
The display tank will have to be kept fishless (FALLOW) for 6-8 weeks to assure the existing parasites go through their life cycle without a host fish and die off
Okay thank you, will the itch affect inverts? all i have are 2 clownfish and some snails
 
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Looks like brook to me. Typically kills in 24 to 48 hours but clowns can last a couple weeks maybe without treatment.
Lesson learnt to quarantine fish, these were my first and only fish at the moment, time to invest in a quarantine tank
 
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Looks like brook to me. Typically kills in 24 to 48 hours but clowns can last a couple weeks maybe without treatment.
Will formalin work for brooke? I am going to setup a quarantine tank, hope not too far gone.
 

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Will formalin work for brooke? I am going to setup a quarantine tank, hope not too far gone.

Can you post a video? That helps me tell brooklynella from ich.

Are both clownfish affected?

Jay
 
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Can you post a video? That helps me tell brooklynella from ich.

Are both clownfish affected?

Jay



Seems to only be one fish so far, the other clownfish is still eating whilst the other one has stopped. Cannot visibly see any markings on the other clownfish. Thank you very much for any help, will be going to get some medication as soon as possible.
 

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Seems to only be one fish so far, the other clownfish is still eating whilst the other one has stopped. Cannot visibly see any markings on the other clownfish. Thank you very much for any help, will be going to get some medication as soon as possible.
Now that I see other fish, it looks more like secondary bacterial lesions associated with brook. Im surprised the other clown has not been affected. This mucus generally starts at the facial area as well as gills and spreads across the body producing lesions as it progresses often confused with ich and can turn into secondary bacteria. Other symptoms will be lethargic behavior, refusing to eat and heavy breathing from the mucus. For secondary bacterial lesions, you can as you asked use formalin. Is it aquasonic formalin you have? If so, it formalin based and will work. Typical treatment is
is a formalin solution is mixed with in a separate container with either fresh or saltwater. Start with a quick dip in the formalin at a higher concentration then performing treatment in a prolonged bath of formalin base at a lower concentration in a quarantine tank. The longer the fish are exposed to the formalin treatment the more effective it will be at eliminating this issue.
Often, temporary relief can be achieved by giving the fish a 5 minute FW bath or dip in water same temperature as display tank. Even though this treatment will not cure the disease, it can help to remove some of the parasites, as well as reduce the amount of mucus in the gills to assist with respiration problems.
Treatment is best done in a QT tank using either formalin (more effective but now harder to find) or Ruby Rally Pro. Ruby takes a little longer and initial treatment generally takes 2-3 days to really start going to work.
 
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Now that I see other fish, it looks more like secondary bacterial lesions associated with brook. Im surprised the other clown has not been affected. This mucus generally starts at the facial area as well as gills and spreads across the body producing lesions as it progresses often confused with ich and can turn into secondary bacteria. Other symptoms will be lethargic behavior, refusing to eat and heavy breathing from the mucus. For secondary bacterial lesions, you can as you asked use formalin. Is it aquasonic formalin you have? If so, it formalin based and will work. Typical treatment is
is a formalin solution is mixed with in a separate container with either fresh or saltwater. Start with a quick dip in the formalin at a higher concentration then performing treatment in a prolonged bath of formalin base at a lower concentration in a quarantine tank. The longer the fish are exposed to the formalin treatment the more effective it will be at eliminating this issue.
Often, temporary relief can be achieved by giving the fish a 5 minute FW bath or dip in water same temperature as display tank. Even though this treatment will not cure the disease, it can help to remove some of the parasites, as well as reduce the amount of mucus in the gills to assist with respiration problems.
Treatment is best done in a QT tank using either formalin (more effective but now harder to find) or Ruby Rally Pro. Ruby takes a little longer and initial treatment generally takes 2-3 days to really start going to work.
Thank you very much, there is a pet store near me which sells aquasonic formalin so I will be going to get that and start treatment. I have just set up a quarantine tank and have been letting the heater run for the past couple hours; will also be getting some microbacter7 or dr Time since the tank isn’t cycled.

I just had one last final clarification, with the prolonged formalin bath you mention inside the quarantine tank, it’s okay to leave the water with lower concentration of formalin - the fish won’t be harmed if left untouched until water change?

You’re help is much appreciated, thank you again for your time, im only 3 months into this hobby and have learnt a lot from these forums.
 

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Thank you very much, there is a pet store near me which sells aquasonic formalin so I will be going to get that and start treatment. I have just set up a quarantine tank and have been letting the heater run for the past couple hours; will also be getting some microbacter7 or dr Time since the tank isn’t cycled.

I just had one last final clarification, with the prolonged formalin bath you mention inside the quarantine tank, it’s okay to leave the water with lower concentration of formalin - the fish won’t be harmed if left untouched until water change?

You’re help is much appreciated, thank you again for your time, im only 3 months into this hobby and have learnt a lot from these forums.
Yes as you dont want to risk overdose. Follow package directions precisely
 

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Seems to only be one fish so far, the other clownfish is still eating whilst the other one has stopped. Cannot visibly see any markings on the other clownfish. Thank you very much for any help, will be going to get some medication as soon as possible.



Seems to only be one fish so far, the other clownfish is still eating whilst the other one has stopped. Cannot visibly see any markings on the other clownfish. Thank you very much for any help, will be going to get some medication as soon as possible.

Both fish are breathing a bit heavy and swimming a bit "off", the discrete ich spots don't show in the video. I think they have the start of Brooklynella.

Jay
 

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Came home and found that my clownfish has dots on his head and white specks on his body, I can’t figure out if it is velvet or brooknella. Can someone also please recommend treatment for the fish?

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I am familiar with velvet but what is Brook?
 

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I am having trouble getting metroplex in australia, is there any alternatives?
I thought I saw that you had sourced formalin? That will work better than metronidazole for this issue. I can help you with dosing if you tell me the concentration of the formalin that you have.

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I am familiar with velvet but what is Brook?
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I am familiar with velvet but what is Brook?
velvet is a dinoflagellate and Brooklynella is a ciliate. Velvet causes rapid breathing followed by death in a few days, seen in most fish species. Brook usually affects wild clownfish, but can spread to other species. Causes cloudy skin with peeling mucus, rapid breathing and death within a week or so.
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I thought I saw that you had sourced formalin? That will work better than metronidazole for this issue. I can help you with dosing if you tell me the concentration of the formalin that you have.

Jay
Sorry for the confusion, I just did a 60 minute bath at 0.66ml per gallon of formalin a couple hours ago, do I just dose formalin again directly to the qt system or do another bath in a couple days?

They seem to be doing a bit better now.
 

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Sorry for the confusion, I just did a 60 minute bath at 0.66ml per gallon of formalin a couple hours ago, do I just dose formalin again directly to the qt system or do another bath in a couple days?

They seem to be doing a bit better now.
The dip you gave was 175 ppm. That good, but putting the fish back into the same tank allows them to get reinfected. You can also dose formalin as a static bath. Do you have full formalin? That is labeled as 37% formaldehyde in water. If you have that, a static bath is 25 ppm daily. The calculation is the net volume of tank water, in US gallons, multiplied by 25 and divided by 264. That works out to be 0.95 ml per ten gallons. Always double check your formalin calculations and follow all safety precautions when using it.
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I have the 37mg/mL Formaldehyde, 0.32mg/mL Malachite green formula. Ihad them in the display tank, then I gave them a 60 minute bath then transferred them to a quarantine, did I miss a step - put them into quarantine too early? thank you i will use that concentration for the qt tank treatment
 

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