Bottled Bacteria, AquaBiomics. Just what's in your bottles

[Solo McReefer]

Are you saying better safe than sorry?

I wrote what I wrote, and meant what it says

There seems to be a logical loop objection running in this thread

If you don't have an intervention for some value, then they value is useless. Its just noise

It's a new technology available. I've only heard about it in the last 2 3 months.

It's not a matter of better safe than sorry. Serum K 3.8 is a normal value. 3.4 is normal. Protocols are in place to intervene to keep it from decreasing further where it will cause cardiac arrythmia, and death.

When the test for Serum K was invented. There were no interventions for the value of Serum K. They had to be invented

"So what if AquaBiomics can tell you that you have E coli growing in your tank. What are you going to do about it? You have no interventions. Put Metro in your tank? That's absurd. It makes the whole notion of AquaBiomics a complete useless waste of time and money. There's no science behind that!"

As a matter of fact, first adopter reefers will certainly experiment, first dipping E Coli infected corals in Metro, then perhaps testing Metro on tester tanks. And so on.

No, not "better safe than sorry." That's something else

One follows the protocol, because through trial and error, the interventions were tried and tested.

Which is why you will get 40meq of KCl if your Serum k is 3.7. Unless your kidneys are shot, then 20meq. This didn't happen in the beginning

The data from AquaBiomics will be driving testing, and trial and error scenarios, for a dozen+ years before we get the science down, to look at a result and then routinely perform the interventions for it

Turning on the UV sterilizer to kill some bug discovered, is the very first of those trial interventions. Completely rational and reasonable

Another example:

"So you say this commensal bacteria, that every has, growing peacefully all bybits lonesome. FOR REAL you are saying that Helicobacter pylori is actually a pathogen? That's absurd. First off, it's not a pathogen.

You're going to become a laughing stock. The university and the their sponsors are going to cut your grant money. Your tilting an windmills. You have a reputation to uphold, this will put you in academic stocks and you will be pilloried

And even if it were, it never grows to such numbers to cause a single problem. For 300 years the settled Science has determined peptic ulcers are caused by stress and acid.

IT IS SETTLED!

And, and even if you somehow prove that it is pathogenic, there are no interventions to treat it. What are you gonna do? Drink bleach. Swallow a UV bulb. Come on, take the aluminum foil hat off your head and get with the program. Knock it off"

 

[Dan_P]

I wrote what I wrote, and meant what it says

There seems to be a logical loop objection running in this thread

If you don't have an intervention for some value, then they value is useless. Its just noise

It's a new technology available. I've only heard about it in the last 2 3 months.

It's not a matter of better safe than sorry. Serum K 3.8 is a normal value. 3.4 is normal. Protocols are in place to intervene to keep it from decreasing further where it will cause cardiac arrythmia, and death.

When the test for Serum K was invented. There were no interventions for the value of Serum K. They had to be invented

"So what if AquaBiomics can tell you that you have E coli growing in your tank. What are you going to do about it? You have no interventions. Put Metro in your tank? That's absurd. It makes the whole notion of AquaBiomics a complete useless waste of time and money. There's no science behind that!"

As a matter of fact, first adopter reefers will certainly experiment, first dipping E Coli infected corals in Metro, then perhaps testing Metro on tester tanks. And so on.

No, not "better safe than sorry." That's something else

One follows the protocol, because through trial and error, the interventions were tried and tested.

Which is why you will get 40meq of KCl if your Serum k is 3.7. Unless your kidneys are shot, then 20meq. This didn't happen in the beginning

The data from AquaBiomics will be driving testing, and trial and error scenarios, for a dozen+ years before we get the science down, to look at a result and then routinely perform the interventions for it

Turning on the UV sterilizer to kill some bug discovered, is the very first of those trial interventions. Completely rational and reasonable

Another example:

"So you say this commensal bacteria, that every has, growing peacefully all bybits lonesome. FOR REAL you are saying that Helicobacter pylori is actually a pathogen? That's absurd. First off, it's not a pathogen.

You're going to become a laughing stock. The university and the their sponsors are going to cut your grant money. Your tilting an windmills. You have a reputation to uphold, this will put you in academic stocks and you will be pilloried

And even if it were, it never grows to such numbers to cause a single problem. For 300 years the settled Science has determined peptic ulcers are caused by stress and acid.

IT IS SETTLED!

And, and even if you somehow prove that it is pathogenic, there are no interventions to treat it. What are you gonna do? Drink bleach. Swallow a UV bulb. Come on, take the aluminum foil hat off your head and get with the program. Knock it off"

Haha, aluminum foil indeed. Your passion and certainty for the subject are admirable.

Anyway, the fog factor in your post was pretty high. Got in the way of my grasping the gist of your message, hence the clarifying question. With time, you will slowly begin to see the aluminum foil fade from my head as I begin to learn how to pierce the fog

 

[Solo McReefer]

Haha, aluminum foil indeed. Your passion and certainty for the subject are admirable.

Anyway, the fog factor in your post was pretty high. Got in the way of my grasping the gist of your message, hence the clarifying question. With time, you will slowly begin to see the aluminum foil fade from my head as I begin to learn how to pierce the fog

A reefer wants to keep his alkalinity between 8 and 9

The alkalinity monitor reads 7.8

The controller(who can be the reefer) doses enough sodium carbonate to get alk above 8

The monitor checks again in 4 hours, 8.3

I was sleeping deprived and half asleep on that post, explains any fog. I don't know if this post clarifies or not

 

[Solo McReefer]

aluminum foil indeed

I did not mean you. Or anyone on this message board

Unless you specifically blocked or mocked the work of Barry Marshall and Robin Warren in the mid 1980s

It was just a story

 

[Dan_P]

A reefer wants to keep his alkalinity between 8 and 9

The alkalinity monitor reads 7.8

The controller(who can be the reefer) doses enough sodium carbonate to get alk above 8

The monitor checks again in 4 hours, 8.3

I was sleeping deprived and half asleep on that post, explains any fog. I don't know if this post clarifies or not

All good

 

[telegraham]

Here's a fun one. From a new, unopened until tested, bottle.

 

[Dan_P]

Here's a fun one. From a new, unopened until tested, bottle.

You might have stumbled onto a secret supplier of germ warfare materials.

 

[Solo McReefer]

Here's a fun one. From a new, unopened until tested, bottle.

Quite the blend of bacteria there

Probably should take that back to Kohls

 

[telegraham]

Probably should take that back to Kohls

Or BRS. https://humble.fish/community/threads/bottled-bacteria-results-zeobak.20941/

 

[Garf]

Or BRS. https://humble.fish/community/threads/bottled-bacteria-results-zeobak.20941/

But I expect it,

"Removes slime algae the natural way" , lol

 

[ryshark]

Or BRS. https://humble.fish/community/threads/bottled-bacteria-results-zeobak.20941/

I had high hopes for this one, now I kind of want it out of my refrigerator.

 

[Solo McReefer]

Or BRS. https://humble.fish/community/threads/bottled-bacteria-results-zeobak.20941/

 

[taricha]

Here's a fun one. From a new, unopened until tested, bottle.

I appreciate the commitment to microbial diversity providing both Strep and Staph.

 

[Spare time]

Here's a fun one. From a new, unopened until tested, bottle.

Which product?

 

[Kraaaemer]

This makes me want to see a batch based transparency report accompany these products. Why is this already not required?

 

[Solo McReefer]

This makes me want to see a batch based transparency report accompany these products. Why is this already not required?

Trade Secrets

They don't have to

 

[Solo McReefer]

Which product?

You have to follow his link

Or check out his Instagram page

 

[telegraham]

Which product?

I won't share that info here.

 

[BeanAnimal]

I mean it could be worse, it could have an STD....

 

[ingchr1]

Which product?

It's shown in the shared link...