Ati essential +...list of trace and, macro elements ecc..

[Anxur]

Good morning. I could have the complete list of trace elements, trace elements and macroelements contained in ATI ESSENTIAL + that I have been using constantly for months.

I ask because this way I have the knowledge of what is and isn't there, so that I know what I should integrate separately.

I am referring to iron, iodine, boron, potassium etc.

I would like a specific and guaranteed list to understand what is there and what isn't there so I can know what I need to dose extra.. I wanted to send a sample of the product for an ICP but I thought you surely have the list of items. Thank you

@ATI North America

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I think it is somewhat unlikely that the company will provide info beyond what they provide in the product description, which makes it clear it contains a large number of elements, but from what they write,

"Contains all major elements and essential trace elements"
"all essential trace elements (including iron, iodine, molybdenum, manganese, vanadium and zinc)"

I can conclude it contains at least some of each of these:

major ions
sodium
chloride
magnesium
sulfate
potassium
calcium
strontium
bromide
fluoride (probably)

trace elements they mention
iron
iodine
molybdenum
manganese
vanadium
zinc

 

[Anxur]

I think it is somewhat unlikely that the company will provide info beyond what they provide in the product description, which makes it clear it contains a large number of elements, but from what they write,

"Contains all major elements and essential trace elements"
"all essential trace elements (including iron, iodine, molybdenum, manganese, vanadium and zinc)"

I can conclude it contains at least some of each of these:

major ions
sodium
chloride
magnesium
sulfate
potassium
calcium
strontium
bromide
fluoride (probably)

trace elements they mention
iron
iodine
molybdenum
manganese
vanadium
zinc

The website said these... Even N and P?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

The website said these... Even N and P?

Sounds like it, but bear in mind there are no values shown. Something being present does not say whether it is present in useful amounts, too much, or too little to be significant.

 

[Anxur]

Sounds like it, but bear in mind there are no values shown. Something being present does not say whether it is present in useful amounts, too much, or too little to be significant.

I'm waiting @ATI North America

 

[Salty_Northerner]

@Randy Holmes-Farley
What's your thoughts on Brightwell Replenish. This is their description.

Unique complex that replaces trace and minor elements used by fishes, corals, and
other invertebrates, and which are lost through chemical filtration (protein skimming
and use of filtration media such as resins and activated carbon).
Provides 29 minor and trace minerals, all present in natural seawater ratios.
Does not contain minor or trace elements not expressly known to be utilized by marine organisms or take place in chemical interactions.
Composed of purified water and ultra-high purity materials.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

@Randy Holmes-Farley
What's your thoughts on Brightwell Replenish. This is their description.

Unique complex that replaces trace and minor elements used by fishes, corals, and
other invertebrates, and which are lost through chemical filtration (protein skimming
and use of filtration media such as resins and activated carbon).
Provides 29 minor and trace minerals, all present in natural seawater ratios.
Does not contain minor or trace elements not expressly known to be utilized by marine organisms or take place in chemical interactions.
Composed of purified water and ultra-high purity materials.

I had to look it up myself to be sure this was the exact wording, since it seems crazy to me:

• Unique complex that replaces trace and minorelements used by fishes, corals, and other invertebrates, and which are lost through chemical filtration (protein skimming and use of filtration media such as resins and activated carbon).
• Provides 29 minor and trace minerals, all present in natural seawater ratios.
• Does not contain minor or trace elements not expressly known to be utilized by marine organisms or take place in chemical interactions.

Let’s look first at the second bullet. Why on earth should they be there at seawater ratios? Without any doubt, export by the mechanisms mentioned in the first bullet are absolutely not at seawater ratios. So why would one want to add them back at a seawater ratio? Add them back at the ratio removed is the goal. Seawater ratio means a water change type of process, without the export half of water changes.

It’s so crazy that I’m a bit skeptical that it is a mistake in the description, but assuming not, I would not use it.

Final nit picking point, the first part of bullet three is sensible, but what is that last part about taking place in chemical reactions? What reactions? Does it really just exclude the noble gases (helium, neon, argon, etc???). Meaningless sentence causing lack of credibility.

 

[Salty_Northerner]

I had to look it up myself to be sure this was the exact wording, since it seems crazy to me:

• Unique complex that replaces trace and minorelements used by fishes, corals, and other invertebrates, and which are lost through chemical filtration (protein skimming and use of filtration media such as resins and activated carbon).
• Provides 29 minor and trace minerals, all present in natural seawater ratios.
• Does not contain minor or trace elements not expressly known to be utilized by marine organisms or take place in chemical interactions.

Let’s look first at the second bullet. Why on earth should they be there at seawater ratios? Without any doubt, export by the mechanisms mentioned in the first bullet are absolutely not at seawater ratios. So why would one want to add them back at a seawater ratio? Add them back at the ratio removed is the goal. Seawater ratio means a water change type of process, without the export half of water changes.

It’s so crazy that I’m a bit skeptical that it is a mistake in the description, but assuming not, I would not use it.

Final nit picking point, the first part of bullet three is sensible, but what is that last part about taking place in chemical reactions? What reactions? Does it really just exclude the noble gases (helium, neon, argon, etc???). Meaningless sentence causing lack of credibility.

Copy that! What would you recommend for a minor and trace additive since I'm not dosing AFR anymore? I looked and looked but almost everything seems to be a bottle of this this and that. I'm just looking for what's beneficial I can hook up to a single dosing pump.

 

[Pod_01]

Copy that! What would you recommend for a minor and trace additive since I'm not dosing AFR anymore? I looked and looked but almost everything seems to be a bottle of this this and that. I'm just looking for what's beneficial I can hook up to a single dosing pump.

I am not Randy, but if you used AFR and it worked you can use TM A- elements and K+ elements. These are in AFR so you would be using same product.
Unfortunately you will need 2 pumps, hand dose or depending how you add Alk and Calc you can pre mix A- and K+ into the two part. K+ can go into calcium and A- can go into alk. For example it can be added into TM Original Balling or similar system….

Good luck,

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Copy that! What would you recommend for a minor and trace additive since I'm not dosing AFR anymore? I looked and looked but almost everything seems to be a bottle of this this and that. I'm just looking for what's beneficial I can hook up to a single dosing pump.

I agree that TM A and K is a good choice, but it’s not a single doser. I’m not sure what’s best in a single product.

 

[Salty_Northerner]

I agree that TM A and K is a good choice, but it’s not a single doser. I’m not sure what’s best in a single product.

Thank you Randy I appreciate your time and info. Have a great day!