At what point do i consider euthanizing my wrasse

[Jasongtr]

To cut a long story short i have a blue star leopard wrasse that showed signs of struggling after dosing nopox for just under a week, we stopped as soon as we saw issues and that was around three weeks ago, she isnt appearing to be eating and im not sure if she has for that long, she spends less time above the sand but will only stay down for a couple of days then come up for a few days, seems weak and is more blown around by the tank flow, sits on the sand a fair bit until my coral beauty comes along and flicks it into action, probably bullying but almost like shes trying to help her.

Doesnt appear to of lost much if any weight

We have the clove oil ready but dont want tk jump in too soon

 

[fishguy242]

Hi can you post short video of when she's out ? [HASH=55964]#fishmedic[/HASH]

 

[Jay Hemdal]

To cut a long story short i have a blue star leopard wrasse that showed signs of struggling after dosing nopox for just under a week, we stopped as soon as we saw issues and that was around three weeks ago, she isnt appearing to be eating and im not sure if she has for that long, she spends less time above the sand but will only stay down for a couple of days then come up for a few days, seems weak and is more blown around by the tank flow, sits on the sand a fair bit until my coral beauty comes along and flicks it into action, probably bullying but almost like shes trying to help her.

Doesnt appear to of lost much if any weight

We have the clove oil ready but dont want tk jump in too soon

Sorry to hear. When to euthanize is going to be a subjective call on your part. If the fish becomes moribund (unable to swim) that is a clear sign it is time to euthanize. Euthanizing due to it not feeding, in advance of it becoming moribund is where the judgement comes into play.

Here is a post I made about the process:

Fish Euthanasia

Euthanasia Euthanasia is a word derived from two Greek words that roughly translates to “good death”. In other words, euthanasia is the painless killing of an organism. In general usage, there is also the underlying understanding that euthanasia is performed on terminal patients only. This...

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Jay

 

[Jasongtr]

Sorry to hear. When to euthanize is going to be a subjective call on your part. If the fish becomes moribund (unable to swim) that is a clear sign it is time to euthanize. Euthanizing due to it not feeding, in advance of it becoming moribund is where the judgement comes into play.

Here is a post I made about the process:

Fish Euthanasia

Euthanasia Euthanasia is a word derived from two Greek words that roughly translates to “good death”. In other words, euthanasia is the painless killing of an organism. In general usage, there is also the underlying understanding that euthanasia is performed on terminal patients only. This...

www.reef2reef.com

Jay

This is her on the sand but shes not always like that, hard decision really hence looking for advice

 

[Jasongtr]

Hi can you post short video of when she's out ? [HASH=55964]#fishmedic[/HASH]

Just posted, hopefully it works

 

[fishguy242]

Looks like scared by bullying from coral beauty, seems "ok" alert ,belly not pinched ,would try to isolate one or the other preferably the coral beauty

 

[Jasongtr]

Looks like scared by bullying from coral beauty, seems "ok" alert ,belly not pinched ,would try to isolate one or the other preferably the coral beauty

Ok thanks, coral beauty has been in there a month prior to any signs of the nopox dosing though with no signs of bullying

 

[vetteguy53081]

This is her on the sand but shes not always like that, hard decision really hence looking for advice

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I dont see this fish as moribund or dying but likely intimidated. Consider placing it in an acclimation box for isolation and get it to eat and become accustomed to water and environment.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Ok thanks, coral beauty has been in there a month prior to any signs of the nopox dosing though with no signs of bullying

Is there a reason you are using NoPox? This is a method of vodka dosing and often used to redube phosphate and nitrate and there is a thing as adding too much. Water changes are often the answer- not a bottle of solution.

 

[Jasongtr]

I dont see this fish as moribund or dying but likely intimidated. Consider placing it in an acclimation box for isolation and get it to eat and become accustomed to water and environment.

Weve had her about 7/8 months eating fine previously and showed no issues, acclamation box wont allow her to go into the sand

 

[Jasongtr]

Is there a reason you are using NoPox? This is a method of vodka dosing and often used to redube phosphate and nitrate and there is a thing as adding too much. Water changes are often the answer- not a bottle of solution.

Just to reduce nitrates, ive since got an algae reactor so hopefully that'll work

 

[vetteguy53081]

Weve had her about 7/8 months eating fine previously and showed no issues, acclamation box wont allow her to go into the sand

Good point on sand in which next option is an isolation/observation tank with sand

 

[Jasongtr]

Good point on sand in which next option is an isolation/observation tank with sand

I might get one set up

 

[vetteguy53081]

Just to reduce nitrates, ive since got an algae reactor so hopefully that'll work

Algae reactor and scrubber work well. I use a scrubber and the numbers suggest they are effective.

 

[Goaway]

Looks like scared by bullying from coral beauty, seems "ok" alert ,belly not pinched ,would try to isolate one or the other preferably the coral beauty

Sorry, I strongly agree with this. I have had several dwarf angels in my life time. Nipping isn't usually their go to, to bully, they love to slam into other fish, side swipe like a tang would, smack fish with their tails. They will get into nipping if they really want the other fish dead.

It does not take much to make a leopard wrasse shut down.

Ok thanks, coral beauty has been in there a month prior to any signs of the nopox dosing though with no signs of bullying

I assume the coral beauty has only been with you for 1 month?

 

[Jasongtr]

Algae reactor and scrubber work well. I use a scrubber and the numbers suggest they are effective.

Hopefully it will work, ive not checked the chaeto in a week or so and due a water test tomorrow, ive also added a drop two or cheato gro to help it along

 

[Jasongtr]

Sorry, I strongly agree with this. I have had several dwarf angels in my life time. Nipping isn't usually their go to, to bully, they love to slam into other fish, side swipe like a tang would, smack fish with their tails. They will get into nipping if they really want the other fish dead.

It does not take much to make a leopard wrasse shut down.


I assume the coral beauty has only been with you for 1 month?

Coral beauty been in there nearly 2 months now

 

[Goaway]

Coral beauty been in there nearly 2 months now

If you can, watch that CB and see how many times a day it swiftly swims to the wrasse and does quick movements.

Edit: If this is just a one time thing, it could be a coincidence. If it keeps repeating, the cb is controlling the wrasse.

 

[TheTruTaric]

To cut a long story short i have a blue star leopard wrasse that showed signs of struggling after dosing nopox for just under a week, we stopped as soon as we saw issues and that was around three weeks ago, she isnt appearing to be eating and im not sure if she has for that long, she spends less time above the sand but will only stay down for a couple of days then come up for a few days, seems weak and is more blown around by the tank flow, sits on the sand a fair bit until my coral beauty comes along and flicks it into action, probably bullying but almost like shes trying to help her.

Doesnt appear to of lost much if any weight

We have the clove oil ready but dont want tk jump in too soon

DONT DO IT....JUST YESTERDAY I HAD A SIMILAR STORY.

my leopard blue star wrasse-lost all ability to swim, was looking dead for a day or so. my friends told me to euthanize it, as i was removing it from the tank it almost snapped out of it and started to improve quickly, im glad i did not give up, however its your call, im glad i let minefight to the end

 

[Jasongtr]

DONT DO IT....JUST YESTERDAY I HAD A SIMILAR STORY.

my leopard blue star wrasse-lost all ability to swim, was looking dead for a day or so. my friends told me to euthanize it, as i was removing it from the tank it almost snapped out of it and started to improve quickly, im glad i did not give up, however its your call, im glad i let minefight to the end

This has been odd behaviour for 3 weeks now, im not ready to do it, will be a totally last resort, shes just gone under the sand anyway