Are Hanna Checkers The Gold Standard In Hobby Grade Test Kits?

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The closet I came to any stress testing was purposely using less reagent for the phosphate test. If I recall, you won’t see a statistical difference until you use less than 90% of the chemical in the packet. This was done with only one concentration of PO4. I imagine at higher PO4 concentrations, the test might not be so forgiving.
I have plenty of reagent to play with, but I think it would be a moot point for me to do it. But I may just for my own curiosity. Thanks!
 

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I use Hanna for alkalinity, phosphorous, nitrate and copper since they seem reliable and are easy to use. I use Salifert for Mag, Calcium and pH.

I would not recommend Hanna for salinity. I tried 3 different units and they were just not reliable. Instead I use a Veegee refractometer. It is not cheap but is worth every penny.
 
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Thank you for your very detailed response! This thread was started because I noticed Reefers consistently saying that their (other brand) test kit is off because the Hanna Checker reads differently. Have you, @taricha, or @Dan_P done an experiment to test how much you can vary the shake time, reagent amount, or water sample amount of Hanna Checkers and still get readings consistent with their margin of error? (In other words, mess it up on purpose.) There are some that believe that every reagent granule, ml, and second are critical for accurate testing with them.
Actually not any detailed study. We did do some work on the Nitrate test to demonstrate the difference in the "shaking" in the results as well as temperature differences in the Iodine test development. I think @taricha did some on the development of the Potassium test. My focus in testing protocol has been how to I do the test so as to reduce the variability....Time, temp reagent measurement, mixing etc. not so much of failure mode analysis but it might be an interesting project.
 

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API tests really are not reliable. Nothing wrong with trying to inform others that there are better alternatives.
When you say "not reliable" what specifically are you referring to? ..precision, accuracy...is it from one kit to the next...would be helpful to the nature of the variability

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Which test isn't reliable?
Have you used it?
What problem did you have?
Ammonia test didn't read correctly when I was dosing ammonia to cycle tank. Nitrate test works okay but I prefer the Hanna number rather than broad range. Phosphorus test read consistently too high. Copper test super painful to administer especially if you need to test copper levels every day during fish quarantine. Much better alternatives for every single test I was doing so I switched away the first chance I got.
 

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API tests really are not reliable. Nothing wrong with trying to inform others that there are better alternatives.
Not reliable based on what? The internet? That's my point. Internet regurgitates that said without performing confirmations. That's not informing. That's proliferating an opinion.
 

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Ammonia test didn't read correctly when I was dosing ammonia to cycle tank. Nitrate test works okay but I prefer the Hanna number rather than broad range. Phosphorus test read consistently too high. Copper test super painful to administer especially if you need to test copper levels every day during fish quarantine. Much better alternatives for every single test I was doing so I switched away the first chance I got.
I've create a sample source of ammonia and validated that against the API test strip. Was spot on. The other test strips, not at all. Haven't done so with the other test strips because I don't need precision and yet to see an aspect of our hobby where precision is required since so many run tanks at different values and only the internet requires it. Gladly I don't listen to the internet
 

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I've create a sample source of ammonia and validated that against the API test strip. Was spot on. The other test strips, not at all. Haven't done so with the other test strips because I don't need precision and yet to see an aspect of our hobby where precision is required since so many run tanks at different values and only the internet requires it. Gladly I don't listen to the internet
Didn't work for me unfortunately.
 

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Didn't work for me unfortunately.
That doesn't then confirm it doesn't work. Too many variables involved and how long you shake it or how vigorous affects the results. Especially with API phosphates and nitrates. Same can occur with Hanna if those packets aren't added correctly or the timer not adhered to. Good thing NASA level tolerances aren't required for most we keep. I'm just going to avoid that which might.
 

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That doesn't then confirm it doesn't work. Too many variables involved and how long you shake it or how vigorous affects the results. Especially with API phosphates and nitrates. Same can occur with Hanna if those packets aren't added correctly or the timer not adhered to. Good thing NASA level tolerances aren't required for most we keep. I'm just going to avoid that which might.
As I said, the various API tests did not work for me for the reasons outlined. I have used various tests from Salifert, RedSea, Hanna without any issues whatsoever, other than Hanna salinity probe which I didn't find too reliable despite limited steps. I therefore do not recommend API to anyone unless it is the only one available. Other more reliable and/or easier to use alternatives out there. I am not the only person to have this kind of experience with API---see the many warnings against it.
 

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As I said, the various API tests did not work for me for the reasons outlined. I have used various tests from Salifert, RedSea, Hanna without any issues whatsoever, other than Hanna salinity probe which I didn't find too reliable despite limited steps. I therefore do not recommend API to anyone unless it is the only one available. Other more reliable and/or easier to use alternatives out there. I am not the only person to have this kind of experience with API---see the many warnings against it.

Not directed at you but this is the part of the hobby that keeps me perplexed.

  • Bob uses API kit A and has amazing luck. Recommends when asked.
  • Sally uses the same API kit A and has no luck. Does not recommend it when asked.
  • Jonsey uses the same API kit A and while believing it to be inconsistent looks at the median number and trends. Does not recommend either way and stays mum.

Same thing happens with test automation devices, controllers, lights, chemicals, salt, and more. Hobbyist A and B and C all use the same thing yet have different results. Furthermore they have different expectations.

Quite the conundrum...
 

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Not directed at you but this is the part of the hobby that keeps me perplexed.

  • Bob uses API kit A and has amazing luck. Recommends when asked.
  • Sally uses the same API kit A and has no luck. Does not recommend it when asked.
  • Jonsey uses the same API kit A and while believing it to be inconsistent looks at the median number and trends. Does not recommend either way and stays mum.

Same thing happens with test automation devices, controllers, lights, chemicals, salt, and more. Hobbyist A and B and C all use the same thing yet have different results. Furthermore they have different expectations.

Quite the conundrum...
This is part of what keeps the hobby entertaining. The opportunity for constant tinkering and experimentation. The unsolvable puzzle!
 
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Not directed at you but this is the part of the hobby that keeps me perplexed.

  • Bob uses API kit A and has amazing luck. Recommends when asked.
  • Sally uses the same API kit A and has no luck. Does not recommend it when asked.
  • Jonsey uses the same API kit A and while believing it to be inconsistent looks at the median number and trends. Does not recommend either way and stays mum.

Same thing happens with test automation devices, controllers, lights, chemicals, salt, and more. Hobbyist A and B and C all use the same thing yet have different results. Furthermore they have different expectations.

Quite the conundrum...
I view the hobby grade test kits like children’s science experiments kits. They are good enough to get a general idea, but maybe not good enough for professional applications. But sometimes a general idea is all that is needed in reefing.
 

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The hobby might have its measurement priorities mixed up.

What we measure follows an odd pattern for hobby that is focused on growing things. We measure chemistry but not biology, right? Who precisely keeps track of coral mass/size/volume over time? Who actually measures the color of their coral? Who is comparing photographs of their coral week by week?
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I like to track my growth and color with pics at least every other week lol.
 

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No, I don’t believe Hanna is the gold standard. But I am confused as to why some Reefers treat it that way. For example, we can read many posts where someone compares two test kits, but believes the Hanna over the other. Trident and Hanna especially. Some Reefers even calibrate their Trident to what the Hanna says. Things like that is what prompted this conversation.
Easy to read and less chance of error would be my guess why… I only use Hannah for alk, p04 and n03 the rest I don’t test but if I decide to I have salifert kits in my cabinet.
 
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So, to put a nail in this, the term “Gold Standard” as I meant it in this conversation, means “The one you trust the most”. Nothing else really. I think we have too few options in test kits (at the hobby level), that give us a defined result that can be read with ease like Hanna Checkers. Though they are far from perfect too. Maybe someday someone will improve on test kits further, so we aren’t constantly squinting and scratching our heads over which orange is what number. Lol!

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I've had pretty good luck w Hanna. Alk, low and high range po4, Nitrate, and the new magnesium checker. Even the salinity checker is good for me when comparing to hydrometers. I do have issues w the calcium checker, but api is cheap and fast.
 

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Not directed at you but this is the part of the hobby that keeps me perplexed.

  • Bob uses API kit A and has amazing luck. Recommends when asked.
  • Sally uses the same API kit A and has no luck. Does not recommend it when asked.
  • Jonsey uses the same API kit A and while believing it to be inconsistent looks at the median number and trends. Does not recommend either way and stays mum.

Same thing happens with test automation devices, controllers, lights, chemicals, salt, and more. Hobbyist A and B and C all use the same thing yet have different results. Furthermore they have different expectations.

Quite the conundrum...

IMO, part of this is explained by different (and maybe both wrong) impressions of how important that parameter actually is at the values reported.

Bob gets a result of ammonia at 0.5 ppm, but the fish are ok, and he “knows” that 0.5 ppm would be a problem, so the kit must be off.

Sally gets a result of ammonia at 0.5 ppm, and treats with Prime. The fish are ok, and she “knows” that 0.5 ppm would be a problem, so the kit is right and Prime works.

Jonsey gets a result of ammonia at 0.5 ppm, the fish die, and he concludes the kit was right. (Even if they died from shipping stress)

Sue gets a result of ammonia at 0.5 ppm, but the fish are ok, and she “knows” that 0.5 ppm would not be a problem, so the kit is ok.

It’s all a matter of expectations of what the reported values mean.
 

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