Angelfish swimming nose down not eating

[payrawsa]

He's been swimming like this since I got him. He's been in quarantine one week. He's been treated for flukes and has recovered. He won't eat and I think he has a swim bladder issue because of the way he's swimming. He had white poop once. He's been treated with general cure with two doses 5 days apart. 50% water change 24 hours after dose 1. Now in copper at therapeutic levels.

 

[threebuoys]

Can you provide a video? Did you acquire the fish at a local fish store or mail order?

 

[vetteguy53081]

He's been swimming like this since I got him. He's been in quarantine one week. He's been treated for flukes and has recovered. He won't eat and I think he has a swim bladder issue because of the way he's swimming. He had white poop once. He's been treated with general cure with two doses 5 days apart. 50% water change 24 hours after dose 1. Now in copper at therapeutic levels.

Bladder is a high probability as would be internal parasite. Not eating is not a good sign but Ive seen this and recovery. You can dose Metroplex which is absorbed

@Jay Hemdal

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Welcome to Reef2Reef!

+1 on seeing a video.

These big flagfins can be an issue, they often have internal infections. I suspect, but cannot prove, that a lot of the issue stems from "needling" them to decompress them quickly after capture. They are commonly co0llected at >50', so decompression is a problem. I can see a spot on its flank right about where it could have been needled. There is also another possible spot behind its crown.

Jay

 

[payrawsa]

Can you provide a video? Did you acquire the fish at a local fish store or mail order?

Welcome to Reef2Reef!

+1 on seeing a video.

These big flagfins can be an issue, they often have internal infections. I suspect, but cannot prove, that a lot of the issue stems from "needling" them to decompress them quickly after capture. They are commonly co0llected at >50', so decompression is a problem. I can see a spot on its flank right about where it could have been needled. There is also another possible spot behind its crown.

Jay

Thank you guys. Here's a video Flagfin angel

 

[vetteguy53081]

Thank you guys. Here's a video Flagfin angel

I see bruising on lower anal fin and also slight redness by the tail suggesting bacterial issue. I see what looks like fish in QT tank and would suggest adding seachem Kanaplex for 5 days but first- are you currently medicating the tank ?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

+1 that the video shows some bacterial infection on the pectoral fins.
I think this fish has a number of issues, it is going to be tough to save.
Jay

 

[payrawsa]

I see bruising on lower anal fin and also slight redness by the tail suggesting bacterial issue. I see what looks like fish in QT tank and would suggest adding seachem Kanaplex for 5 days but first- are you currently medicating the tank ?

There is probably some left over residue from API general cure which has prazi and metro I believe (I did do a 50% water change). The tank is at therapeutic levels of copper safe.

 

[vetteguy53081]

There is probably some left over residue from API general cure which has prazi and metro I believe (I did do a 50% water change). The tank is at therapeutic levels of copper safe.

What coppersafe level are you using, how are you testing and how long have you been treating?

 

[payrawsa]

What coppersafe level are you using, how are you testing and how long have you been treating?

2ppm hana checker

 

[payrawsa]

Update he didn't make it. Im very sad.. Euthanized him and dissected. The fish was bloated with fluid in his stomach. There was a long white string that was moving inside. Pictures attached

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Are you sure the white string was actively moving on its own, and not just moving in the fluid? Nematode worms can be seen in dead fish and they move around very strongly when dissected out. I can't get a clear look at this, but it looks more like intestinal mucus, and that sort of just moves gently in water currents.

In any event, the fluid in the gut is called "ascites" and is a symptom of liver or kidney failure. The nematodes can cause that through direct damage of the liver. This can also be caused by bacterial infection or cyanide poisoning. Sorry, there is no treatment for that.

Jay

 

[payrawsa]

Are you sure the white string was actively moving on its own, and not just moving in the fluid? Nematode worms can be seen in dead fish and they move around very strongly when dissected out. I can't get a clear look at this, but it looks more like intestinal mucus, and that sort of just moves gently in water currents.

In any event, the fluid in the gut is called "ascites" and is a symptom of liver or kidney failure. The nematodes can cause that through direct damage of the liver. This can also be caused by bacterial infection or cyanide poisoning. Sorry, there is no treatment for that.

Jay

Likely was the mucus. Wife says she saw it moving for a short while.