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Nutrition wont stop this as its ich which they are susceptible to. Fish will need treatment in a separate tank using coppersafe at 2.25-2.5 for a full 30 days. These spots are bound to multiply without treatment. The big concern is other tankmates which may not show spots but have been exposed and too will need treatment.
If the fish was well established and healthy, assuming your statement is accurate, why would it have gotten infected by ich in the first place, and why has the infection apparently worsened since the number of spots is higher than normally seen when a fish is first infected?If the fish is well established and healthy I would just spoil him with good nutrition and let it pass. You could also research H202 as well. I've never put a fish in a chemical so I can't help with the poisons.
Some fish Achilles and powders especially are a lot more susceptible. I had an Achilles years ago that only got infected after three years in my possession. What triggered it was the addition of a large naso. The spots will get worse before they get better its kinda like chicken pox in humans. I've always preferred to keep excellent water conditions and feed heavy to keep all the animals at peace while it runs its coarse. I know other experienced keepers who wouldn't bat an eye at it let alone tear their tank apart as well as some who welcome it. Putting a fish in copper especially an Achilles is just prolonging the inevitable.If the fish was well established and healthy, assuming your statement is accurate, why would it have gotten infected by ich in the first place, and why has the infection apparently worsened since the number of spots is higher than normally seen when a fish is first infected?
While some advocate allowing a fish a chance to recover (or Not) without medication, the high cost of fish such as these certainly justifies the use of proven medical treatments such as the copper treatment advocated.
This is true in some cases. It is not true in all cases. A tank with a high fish bioload may not just 'recover' with nutrition. I certainly wouldn't gamble with a several hundred/thousand dollar investment. Heavy nutrition can also cause stress - by increasing ammonia, nitrate, etc. if it's not entirely eaten.Heavy nutrition = less stress.
Take someone else's words outta context.
The parasite will pass in a healthy specimen kept in proper conditions without chemicals.
If you read the whole thread you would of seen me stress the importance of water quality. With that being said I believe your whole statement is null and void. I will admit your play on words was a nice try but something can't "recover" from a parasite until the parasite no longer exists. Come on bud your a fish medic you should know that.This is true in some cases. It is not true in all cases. A tank with a high fish bioload may not just 'recover' with nutrition. I certainly wouldn't gamble with a several hundred/thousand dollar investment. Heavy nutrition can also cause stress - by increasing ammonia, nitrate, etc. if it's not entirely eaten.
I read the whole thread. Your comments border on the ridiculous. If you think I'm planning what I say as a gotcha, etc - or something - you are barking up the wrong tree. The totality of the issue is that I totally disagree with your opinions.If you read the whole thread you would of seen me stress the importance of water quality. With that being said I believe your whole statement is null and void. I will admit your play on words was a nice try but something can't "recover" from a parasite until the parasite no longer exists. Come on bud your a fish medic you should know that.
BTW - this is also a false statement. Many fish develop immunity to parasites - i.e they recover. If you don't know that - not my problem. Fish can recover from a parasite - though the parasite still exists in the tank - its basic microbiology.If you read the whole thread you would of seen me stress the importance of water quality. With that being said I believe your whole statement is null and void. I will admit your play on words was a nice try but something can't "recover" from a parasite until the parasite no longer exists. Come on bud your a fish medic you should know that.
This has not been recommended (tearing the tank apart) - your comments about delaying the inevitable - is not backed up by any science or anything but your opinion (like mine). I'm not sure who decided you were the arbiter of ich in a marine tank.I know other experienced keepers who wouldn't bat an eye at it let alone tear their tank apart as well as some who welcome it. Putting a fish in copper especially an Achilles is just prolonging the inevitable.
Some fish Achilles and powders especially are a lot more susceptible. I had an Achilles years ago that only got infected after three years in my possession. What triggered it was the addition of a large naso. The spots will get worse before they get better its kinda like chicken pox in humans. I've always preferred to keep excellent water conditions and feed heavy to keep all the animals at peace while it runs its coarse. I know other experienced keepers who wouldn't bat an eye at it let alone tear their tank apart as well as some who welcome it. Putting a fish in copper especially an Achilles is just prolonging the inevitable.
By the way just to make 2 points, 1. Re-reading my posts I may have made it sound like I was disagreeing with you personally as compared to just voicing my opinion for which I apologize. 2. There are many ways to skin a cat - and you're right good nutrition and low stress are ways to partially mitigate the risk of Ich. However, my confusion with the rationale for the ich management method is that many of the other diseases are much more difficult (except in unique situations) - so even though you may be managing 'ich', having ich in a tank being silently passed around fish may lead to more stress, and likelyhood for other disease thats not as easy to manage. Perhaps I'm wrong.If you read the whole thread you would of seen me stress the importance of water quality. With that being said I believe your whole statement is null and void. I will admit your play on words was a nice try but something can't "recover" from a parasite until the parasite no longer exists. Come on bud your a fish medic you should know that.
I believe this has already been mentioned. But - when one considers the risk of flukes, velvet, etc - not sure TTM is very helpful - but if it's Ich - it should be.No one uses TTM or chloroquine phosphate anymore? To the OP, it’s ich. Your established tank mates have had it but may not show symptoms. Treating the Achilles will do little for him if you plan on reintroducing him to your DT, since he will be reinfected. Only way to rid your DT of ich is to remove and treat all fish and leave it fish less for 72-76 days. Depending on tank temp. Some say higher temps of 82+ it’s 45 days. I have only ever done 76 days at 77 degrees. If it’s a FOWLR, you could dose CP providing you don’t have wrasse, hippo tangs too. There is a chart somewhere on here