Treating lionfish and kin for internal parasites

[Jason Coy]

Hello Everyone, I have a fuzzy dwarf that I think has internal parasites and wondering if I should treat with Parazipro or something else. I'm also wondering if I should treat separately or in the main tank. I currently have 2 fuzzies (about2.5 to 3 inches each), a scorpionfish ( about 3 inches), a volitans ( about 5 inches), and no inverts or corals just live rock. I've read that lions and such often have parasites and that this can be used as a pre treatment before symptoms show.

The reason why I think the one has parasites is because it has long thin white stringy poop, which I understand is a symptom and because shows interest in live food but won't go after it. All fish are fed freshwater live bearers and gut loaded ghost shrimp. The fuzzy in question was eating before it stopped. It's only been about 3 days since it's last feeding. As far as I know none of the fish have ever been medicated before. I've had the lionfish a couple weeks now and the scorpionfish about a month. They are temporarily in a 20g long as an observational/quarantine tank. I know I should quarantine separately but figured with the specimens in question it would be ok.

I have not checked nitrates but ammonia and nitrite are 0. PH is around 8.0-8.1

Thanks for any advice Jason

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Jason Coy Welcome to the Fish Disease Treatment and Diagnosis Forum!

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[vetteguy53081]

Hello Everyone, I have a fuzzy dwarf that I think has internal parasites and wondering if I should treat with Parazipro or something else. I'm also wondering if I should treat separately or in the main tank. I currently have 2 fuzzies (about2.5 to 3 inches each), a scorpionfish ( about 3 inches), a volitans ( about 5 inches), and no inverts or corals just live rock. I've read that lions and such often have parasites and that this can be used as a pre treatment before symptoms show.

The reason why I think the one has parasites is because it has long thin white stringy poop, which I understand is a symptom and because shows interest in live food but won't go after it. All fish are fed freshwater live bearers and gut loaded ghost shrimp. The fuzzy in question was eating before it stopped. It's only been about 3 days since it's last feeding. As far as I know none of the fish have ever been medicated before. I've had the lionfish a couple weeks now and the scorpionfish about a month. They are temporarily in a 20g long as an observational/quarantine tank. I know I should quarantine separately but figured with the specimens in question it would be ok.

I have not checked nitrates but ammonia and nitrite are 0. PH is around 8.0-8.1

Thanks for any advice Jason

lack of interest in food can be water quality related such as elevated ammonia, nitrate or even low oxygen. The stringy feces can be from fats based on foods fed. In Lieu of prazi, I would suggest treatment with general cure which contains prazi and metroplex also effective with some internals issues.
Add an air stone during treatment and monitor water quality

 

[Jason Coy]

lack of interest in food can be water quality related such as elevated ammonia, nitrate or even low oxygen. The stringy feces can be from fats based on foods fed. In Lieu of prazi, I would suggest treatment with general cure which contains prazi and metroplex also effective with some internals issues.
Add an air stone during treatment and monitor water quality

Thanks for suggestion. Good to know it could be other stuff causing lack of feeding. I just tried feeding again and it is def interested but just didn't go after it. I try to keep the other lionfish back but the wrong one ended up taking it. It's possible it's just a little bit more methodical in it's eating and therefore slow to the draw. They usually come out begging for food and this one is not which is a little off.

I started to ask about general cure so I'm glad you mentioned it. Is there any reason not to treat the whole tank in this case?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Hello Everyone, I have a fuzzy dwarf that I think has internal parasites and wondering if I should treat with Parazipro or something else. I'm also wondering if I should treat separately or in the main tank. I currently have 2 fuzzies (about2.5 to 3 inches each), a scorpionfish ( about 3 inches), a volitans ( about 5 inches), and no inverts or corals just live rock. I've read that lions and such often have parasites and that this can be used as a pre treatment before symptoms show.

The reason why I think the one has parasites is because it has long thin white stringy poop, which I understand is a symptom and because shows interest in live food but won't go after it. All fish are fed freshwater live bearers and gut loaded ghost shrimp. The fuzzy in question was eating before it stopped. It's only been about 3 days since it's last feeding. As far as I know none of the fish have ever been medicated before. I've had the lionfish a couple weeks now and the scorpionfish about a month. They are temporarily in a 20g long as an observational/quarantine tank. I know I should quarantine separately but figured with the specimens in question it would be ok.

I have not checked nitrates but ammonia and nitrite are 0. PH is around 8.0-8.1

Thanks for any advice Jason

Praziquantel only helps with external flukes and internal cestodes (tapeworms). Neither of those issues will cause white feces though.

Metronidazole in a treatment tank will help if it is a protozoan issue. If it is bacterial, then it becomes harder to treat.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Thanks for suggestion. Good to know it could be other stuff causing lack of feeding. I just tried feeding again and it is def interested but just didn't go after it. I try to keep the other lionfish back but the wrong one ended up taking it. It's possible it's just a little bit more methodical in it's eating and therefore slow to the draw. They usually come out begging for food and this one is not which is a little off.

I started to ask about general cure so I'm glad you mentioned it. Is there any reason not to treat the whole tank in this case?

If no coral and inverts, you can. Prazi safe but not always metro

 

[Jason Coy]

Thanks for everyone that chimed in. I have some general cure on the way and will start with that. I know an air stone was mentioned and I'll add one during treatment.

I'll try feeding once more before going through with the treatment.

One last question, the nitrates are a little high at 40ppm. Should I do a water change first to lower some?