Quarantining: The pros & cons

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Whenever you buy new livestock, you can place it in a QT (Quarantine Tank) or put it directly into your DT (Display Tank). The choice, of course, is yours, and it's important to understand that there are pros & cons no matter what you decide. We live in a day and age when everyone is looking for a "perfect answer" - although no such thing actually exists. o_O

First, there is much debate on exactly how to QT in the first place:
  1. Some choose to prophylactically treat for parasites, worms, infections, etc. by using medications/chemicals before symptoms of disease even present themselves. The argument here is by the time symptoms do show it is sometimes too late to treat/save the fish. The downside to this approach is all meds/chemicals have side effects and thus, can be harmful to fish (no way of sugarcoating it).
  2. Some choose to passively observe (sometimes in a mini-DT like natural setting), and only treat if symptoms are observed. This is easier on the fish, but one must react quickly if white spots (for example) suddenly appear. If using rock/sand in this observation tank, it is advisable to have a second QT on standby which can be setup on short notice. This "treatment tank" should be bare bottom (with no rock) to avoid absorption issues with medications. You can use PVC elbows (found at Home Depot or Lowe's) as hiding places for the fish.
So, which approach is better? I've always felt whether or not to prophylactically treat has more to do with YOU than the FISH. Are you an overly observant person? Will you notice little things like elevated breathing, head twitching, yawning, etc. which necessitates further investigation/treatment? Do you have 15-20 minutes every single day to sit in front of your QT (eat dinner with your fish?) to watch for scratching, flashing, swimming into the flow of a powerhead, etc.? If so, passive observation might just work for you! :) However, if you are always on the go, busy/hectic schedule or just don't notice the little things; then it would be wise to implement some form of prophylaxis when it comes to diseases. I recommend using Prazipro (or API General Cure) in order to deworm, and either copper or Chloroquine phosphate to treat for ich/velvet.

Unfortunately, quarantining just your fish is not enough. :( Parasite tomonts can encyst to corals, shells, any hard surface really. More info regarding How to Quarantine Corals and Inverts can be found here: https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/how-to-quarantine-coral-and-inverts.228/

And also here: https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/coral-invert-quarantine-time-frames.382/

Is quarantining foolproof? Of course not! Can it fail? Yup! What are the reasons why? Well, first and foremost is human error:
  • Not checking your copper level on a regular basis to ensure it is remaining therapeutic. More info on that here: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/copper-test-kits.257924/
  • Dosing non-copper medications into a long-term QT and/or one with rock & sand. Look here: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/qt-and-biofilm.292878/
  • Failing to take steps to avoid cross contamination and not respecting aerosol transmission: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/aerosol-transmission.190292/
  • Copper and other meds are immunosuppressants; so it's very important to feed nutritious, vitamin enriched foods during the QT period (and beyond!): https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/vitamins-herbal-remedies.304287/
  • Knowing copper is a poison, it's a good idea to slowly ramp it up to therapeutic over a 5-7 day period. This allows your fish in QT to slowly adapt to it, and there should be warning signs of copper intolerance (e.g. fish stops eating) before the fish just dies from it.
  • Allowing ammonia to build-up and kill your fish in QT. Remember, using any ammonia reducer (e.g. Prime, Amquel) with any medication (especially copper) is a BIG NO-NO. Also, since most medications in the water will cause false positives with liquid ammonia test kits, it's wise to always use a Seachem ammonia alert badge in QT: https://www.seachem.com/ammonia-alert.php
  • Mixing/combining medications in QT is never a good idea unless faced with an emergency situation (i.e. treating multiple diseases). In addition to depleting available oxygen out of the water, the fish's liver & kidneys has to process/filter every med you dose into the water. :eek: Also, more meds dumped on a fish causes increased side effects like appetite suppression. BOTTOM LINE IS MOST MEDS/CHEMICALS ARE BAD FOR FISH, and should be viewed/respected as the "lesser of two evils" when faced with parasites, worms and flesh eating bacteria. ;Yuck
P.S. The DOs and DON’Ts of Quarantine can be found here: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/the-dos-and-don’ts-of-quarantine.203898/

There are also a number of factors beyond your control which can cause QT to fail:
  • When you go to the doctor, the treatment or medication he/she prescribes doesn't always work. Same thing can happen with fish! :rolleyes: Since April, I've encountered half a dozen strains of praziquantel resistant flukes & turbellarians (Black Ich) - that I had to use hyposalinity or formalin on in order to fully eradicate.
  • I'm encountering many more occurrences of Brooklynella & Uronema than I expected, and on fish previously not known to be susceptible to these parasites. Therefore, those who choose to prophylactically treat may want to use metronidazole as a precaution. Chloroquine phosphate and formalin are two other options for dealing with brook/uronema.
  • It is theoretically possible (but never confirmed) for parasites (and other pathogens) to develop a resistance to medications (or copper), if they have been previously exposed to such at a subtherapeutic level. We've all heard stories about how LFS and wholesalers like to use subtherapeutic copper to "control" parasites. Are they unwittingly creating fish superbugs? :mad:
  • Just like with humans, things can go wrong inside a fish as well. With internal parasites/intestinal worms you may notice white stringy poo, but symptoms of internal infections are almost never visible. There are no viable treatments for viruses (e.g. Lymphocystis) in SW fish - the best you can do is manage symptoms and hope the fish's natural immune system will send the virus into remission. Spinal injuries/swim bladder disorders can also sometimes prove to be fatal in QT. However, it's important to note that all of these are possible threats you face whether the fish is in QT or not.
  • ^^ Knowing all of the above, don't be in a rush to get your fish out of QT! There should always be an "observation period" of at least 2 weeks after you use meds on a fish, to ensure nothing was missed (or returns.) This observation period should take place in nonmedicated water so there is no chance of a disease just being suppressed.
What about those who opt not to quarantine? Well, their success rate is mixed for a number of reasons. Statistically speaking, it's only a matter of time before they introduce a disease into their DT whether they are aware of it or not. Whether or not you are able to successfully manage the presence of a disease in your DT comes down to your ability to keep the overall number of pathogens low, while simultaneously boosting the fishes’ immune systems to deal with the ones that survive:
  1. It's no secret that the larger your aquarium is the more successful you are likely to be at disease management; since parasites, worms & harmful bacteria are naturally diluted by greater water volume. The same holds true for tanks lightly stocked with fish (reduces the pathogen's food source) and/or fish with thick slime/mucous coats (e.g. wrasses, clownfish, dragonets) which serves to protect them. Conversely, Acanthurus Tangs and other thin slime coat species are most at risk from parasites, worms, etc.
  2. A UV sterilizer and/or diatom filter is useful for siphoning parasite free swimmers out of the water, albeit probably not all of them. The use of dissolved ozone can help fight disease, and an Oxydator has been likened to, "putting an oxygen mask on the fish" to aid with breathing when parasites invade the gills.
  3. Feeding live foods, utilizing proper nutrition and using vitamins can greatly help to boost a fish's natural immune system. In addition, herbal remedies can sometimes be useful to boost the immune system and/or thicken a fish's slime coat to withstand damage inflicted by parasites, worms and bacteria.
  4. Maintaining pristine water conditions, stable parameters, and limiting fish conflicts (which sometimes leads to injury/open wounds) helps to keep "stress" in an aquarium at a minimal. Poor water quality, fluctuating parameters and constant fighting lowers a fish's immune system, which makes him more susceptible to parasitic infestation.
  5. Sounds good! So what's the problem with just doing that?? Well, a) It doesn't always work b) It's a forever thing. If you start using a UV sterilizer to manage parasites in your aquarium, change the lamp religiously every 6 months and have a backup on standby just in case. Because if it suddenly goes down, your entire fish population could be next. :eek: If you use herbal products to control parasites and secondary infections in your DT, buy stock in the company because you will be dosing that stuff for life. ;) Oh, and when you go on vacation be sure to hire a tank sitter who can manage all these little idiosyncrasies or you might come home to a disaster... :( For me anyway, there’s enough to do in a reef aquarium on a daily basis without adding “battle fish parasites” to the list.
Conclusions: I've been at this since I was a child... I was born into this hobby if you will... and I've tried both quarantining and not quarantining. The latter always left me disappointed and feeling defeated in the end. Quarantining can be tough, even heart-wrenching sometimes, but it has brought me the greatest success and feeling of accomplishment in my almost 40 years of keeping fish. Once a fish has graduated to my DT, I know he will likely be with me for many years to come so I name him/her and get to know the personality. If I rehome a fish, I usually keep up with how that fish is doing and sometimes even receive pictures/video from the new owner. You see, quarantining isn't just about the well-being of new fish. It's also about protecting your babies in the DT from disease and unwanted pathogens. :) You wouldn't bring a beloved pet dog or cat around another that had fleas, mange or rabies, would you? Hoping he/she would build up a resistance or immunity to it. o_O Don't our pet fish deserve equal protection? That right there is why, at least for me, the pros of QT will always outweigh the cons. :)
 

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This is amazing, Humble. Yes, please sticky.

Also worth mentioning is the possibility of doing both things. I rigorously quarantine, but despite that, a couple of times in my reefing career something has made it through nevertheless. (ich once, velvet once). Since, as you said, QT is not 100%. Nothing is. As such, starting soon I will plan to set up a UV on my DT and maintain it religiously. I'm hopeful that if something ever makes it through again, it would then be a manageable situation rather than a disaster.
 

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This is amazing, Humble. Yes, please sticky.

Also worth mentioning is the possibility of doing both things. I rigorously quarantine, but despite that, a couple of times in my reefing career something has made it through nevertheless. (ich once, velvet once). Since, as you said, QT is not 100%. Nothing is. As such, starting soon I will plan to set up a UV on my DT and maintain it religiously. I'm hopeful that if something ever makes it through again, it would then be a manageable situation rather than a disaster.
This is my opinion as well, I think its our responsibilities to be providing much of the management technique to our aquarium (All except dosing an herbal remedy, really) and fish regardless of if we are fighting off a parasite or not, good nutrition and immune systems goes a lot further than just ich repellent!
 
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This is my opinion as well, I think its our responsibilities to be providing much of the management technique to our aquarium (All except dosing an herbal remedy, really) and fish regardless of if we are fighting off a parasite or not, good nutrition and immune systems goes a lot further than just ich repellent!

Agreed! Proper nutrition/the use of fish vitamins shouldn't end just because a fish leaves QT. Also, nothing wrong with running a UV, diatom, Oxydator, etc. in the DT as an insurance policy + extra benefits. We've got to stop this "one way or the other" approach, and embrace any & all techniques if it means healthier fish. :)
 

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You have always been my go to resource for anything QT. I find it interesting you do not mention TTM anywhere in the write up. I'm getting ready to put a wrasse through QT and have heard about their sensitivity to Copper. Is TTM still viable in your opinion?
 

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You have always been my go to resource for anything QT. I find it interesting you do not mention TTM anywhere in the write up. I'm getting ready to put a wrasse through QT and have heard about their sensitivity to Copper. Is TTM still viable in your opinion?
Most certainly. But only for the potential of ich.
 

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Thank you. Yes I was going to treat with prazipro during transfers 2 and 4... if Velvet starts to show then I have ParaGuard and Ich-X on hand for supplemental medications.
Yeah, the only problem is that velvet is so common nowadays, and wrasses in particular can carry it without showing outward symptoms. This is why so many recommend going ahead with copper or CP for all fish. CP is a no go for wrasses at the moment, but chelated copper like Copper Power is usually tolerated well so long as the levels are raised slowly to therapeutic over 7 days or so. I'd recommend that, but it's all up to your personal tolerance of risk.
 

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Yeah, the only problem is that velvet is so common nowadays, and wrasses in particular can carry it without showing outward symptoms. This is why so many recommend going ahead with copper or CP for all fish. CP is a no go for wrasses at the moment, but chelated copper like Copper Power is usually tolerated well so long as the levels are raised slowly to therapeutic over 7 days or so. I'd recommend that, but it's all up to your personal tolerance of risk.

Great write up Bobby, as always!
 

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Thank you. Yes I was going to treat with prazipro during transfers 2 and 4... if Velvet starts to show then I have ParaGuard and Ich-X on hand for supplemental medications.
Copper Power, especially when used with a Hanna HL Copper Checker works great.
 

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Thank you so much for your time and expertise.

I am considering how I am going to go about utilizing my new QT I have set up, and I want to lean towards cupramine-dosing every time I get a new fish... Perhaps just a .25 Therapeutic level, for 30 days.

I know some species cannot be cupramine'd, the ones that can I feel it is just the safe bet to have all fish that are going into my DT treated prior...

Garlic-Soaked Brine shrimp and regular feeding I hope will maintain their strength, but I am battling with the notion of causing any damage to the fishes' internals...

Ugh I cant decide..
 

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What pushes me away from Cupramine, and mind you, I've had good results with it in the past, is the dosage amount is so small and the color matching on the test kit is always troubling, even with my wife the artist helping viewing the color. Thus the Hanna HL Copper Checker, plus the larger dose range and Copper Power. You can easily, and with confidence, ease up on the minimum dosage of 1.5 ppm and hold it there. Really relieves the stress on me and the fish! Best of luck. Hope this helps a bit.
 
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You have always been my go to resource for anything QT. I find it interesting you do not mention TTM anywhere in the write up. I'm getting ready to put a wrasse through QT and have heard about their sensitivity to Copper. Is TTM still viable in your opinion?

The supply chain is so polluted with Marine Velvet Disease right now that I feel TTM is no longer a viable option (at present time.)

And it's a real shame because I used to have my highest success rate QTing by using TTM. We can only hope that someday things go back to "normal", and incidences of velvet are the exception and not the rule.
 

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What pushes me away from Cupramine, and mind you, I've had good results with it in the past, is the dosage amount is so small and the color matching on the test kit is always troubling, even with my wife the artist helping viewing the color. Thus the Hanna HL Copper Checker, plus the larger dose range and Copper Power. You can easily, and with confidence, ease up on the minimum dosage of 1.5 ppm and hold it there. Really relieves the stress on me and the fish! Best of luck. Hope this helps a bit.

I wasn't a fan of the color matching from cupramine either, luckily I managed it fairly well, and 5 of my 8 Fish survived an outbreak. 5-1/2 weeks left until fallow period is done on the new tank, and cuprasorb is working well on my old 55g that is being used as my hospital tank currently.

I am goin on vacation Saturday for a week and have a tank sitter, once I return, a starry blenny and goby are starting QT together.

Was curious, since I have no algae in the QT for the blenny to graze... could I take algae from the DT that's running fallow and give it to him or is there a better option? My LFS runs copper in their fish tanks already, but I want to make sure they go a full 30days before I release them into DT.
 
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