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[ebencic2]

Hey everyone first time posting and I need advice….
Recently had an ick/velvet outbreak in the DT and immediately QT all fish with the intention of keeping our tang fallow for 76 days, we lost one tang and the other fish survived and went through copper treatment. The problem we are running into now is our QT tang is above max bioload, we are doing two water changes a week and the nitrates are still above 40. The fish continually look like they are breathing extremely fast even after the water change a few hours ago(20% change) So my question is what would you all do would you risk it early and start putting fish back or continue fighting nitrates? I will add a picture of the tang we lost in hopes someone can identify if it is velvets or ick. Thanks!

 

[AlyciaMarie]

#fishmedic

 

[Dom]

Nitrates of 40 are not an issue in a quarantine tank.

 

[Sophie"s mom]

Hey everyone first time posting and I need advice….
Recently had an ick/velvet outbreak in the DT and immediately QT all fish with the intention of keeping our tang fallow for 76 days, we lost one tang and the other fish survived and went through copper treatment. The problem we are running into now is our QT tang is above max bioload, we are doing two water changes a week and the nitrates are still above 40. The fish continually look like they are breathing extremely fast even after the water change a few hours ago(20% change) So my question is what would you all do would you risk it early and start putting fish back or continue fighting nitrates? I will add a picture of the tang we lost in hopes someone can identify if it is velvets or ick. Thanks!

You need either @vetteguy53081 or @Jay Hemdal

 

[vetteguy53081]

Hey everyone first time posting and I need advice….
Recently had an ick/velvet outbreak in the DT and immediately QT all fish with the intention of keeping our tang fallow for 76 days, we lost one tang and the other fish survived and went through copper treatment. The problem we are running into now is our QT tang is above max bioload, we are doing two water changes a week and the nitrates are still above 40. The fish continually look like they are breathing extremely fast even after the water change a few hours ago(20% change) So my question is what would you all do would you risk it early and start putting fish back or continue fighting nitrates? I will add a picture of the tang we lost in hopes someone can identify if it is velvets or ick. Thanks!

Sort of a tough angle to view but appears to be velvet. Velvet moves quickly and can overtake a given fish suddenly. This fish will have to go into a separate treatment tank and treatment will be coppersafe at 2.25 for at least 30 days and monitored with a hanna brand copper test kit. Add aeration using an air stone during treatment period. Any other tank occupants have been exposed and too should be treated.
Leave display tank without fish for 6-8 weeks known as fallow period.
Fish this covered have a diminished recovery chance but worth the shot. This fish is also quite thin which may not be helping
Has it been eating?

 

[Mr. Mojo Rising]

In the pictures it looks like there is dust buildup on the water surface. An airstone or a powerhead to agitate the surface will help oxygenate the water more.

 

[ebencic2]

Nitrates of 40 are not an issue in a quarantine tank.

40 was after a water change but like I stated the tank is overstocked the highest I’ve seen is closer to 100.

 

[ebencic2]

Sort of a tough angle to view but appears to be velvet. Velvet moves quickly and can overtake a given fish suddenly. This fish will have to go into a separate treatment tank and treatment will be coppersafe at 2.25 for at least 30 days and monitored with a hanna brand copper test kit. Add aeration using an air stone during treatment period. Any other tank occupants have been exposed and too should be treated.
Leave display tank without fish for 6-8 weeks known as fallow period.
Fish this covered have a diminished recovery chance but worth the shot. This fish is also quite thin which may not be helping
Has it been eating?

As previously stated all fish are in the QT tank and have been for 6 weeks as of today. My problem is I’m having such bad water quality with how over stocked the tank is. I know the fallow period is supposed to be ~76 days, I’m wondering if I should go ahead and put the fish back in the display or keep battling water quality issues.

 

[ebencic2]

In the pictures it looks like there is dust buildup on the water surface. An airstone or a powerhead to agitate the surface will help oxygenate the water more.

I should have been more precise in my post the fish have been quarantined for 6 weeks as of today and in the QT tank there is an air stone a hang on filter and a canister set up

 

[Sharkbait19]

I agree that it doesn’t look like there is enough surface agitation. The tang also looks quite thin and like it’s being beat up.
High nitrates are more of a chronic issue, I wouldn’t be too concerned in the short term of qt.
60 days is enough of a fallow, I’d still try to hit that mark.

 

[ebencic2]

I agree that it doesn’t look like there is enough surface agitation. The tang also looks quite thin and like it’s being beat up.
High nitrates are more of a chronic issue, I wouldn’t be too concerned in the short term of qt.
60 days is enough of a fallow, I’d still try to hit that mark.

I should have been more precise in my post the fish have been quarantined for 6 weeks as of today and in the QT tank there is an air stone a hang on filter and a canister set up. The picture was from originally setting up the tank that rang did not make it however all of my other fish made it through copper treatment and are healthy now.

 

[threebuoys]

I should have been more precise in my post the fish have been quarantined for 6 weeks as of today and in the QT tank there is an air stone a hang on filter and a canister set up. The picture was from originally setting up the tank that rang did not make it however all of my other fish made it through copper treatment and are healthy now.

We actually recommend 6 - 8 weeks for allowing a tank to be fallow. In you read some of the research stickies, you will see that the 76 days came from one particular study that had some abnormal factors which may have contributed to the longer time period.

 

[vetteguy53081]

As previously stated all fish are in the QT tank and have been for 6 weeks as of today. My problem is I’m having such bad water quality with how over stocked the tank is. I know the fallow period is supposed to be ~76 days, I’m wondering if I should go ahead and put the fish back in the display or keep battling water quality issues.

Focus on water quality. While you can go 76 days, the new recommendation based on life cycles is 45-60 days.
Add a canister (minus charcoal) or hang on Power filter (take carbon out of cartridge) to help polish water

 

[PopBot16]

From what I've read over the years, Tangs in particular don't do well with high NO3. Can you just do a 90% WC?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Hey everyone first time posting and I need advice….
Recently had an ick/velvet outbreak in the DT and immediately QT all fish with the intention of keeping our tang fallow for 76 days, we lost one tang and the other fish survived and went through copper treatment. The problem we are running into now is our QT tang is above max bioload, we are doing two water changes a week and the nitrates are still above 40. The fish continually look like they are breathing extremely fast even after the water change a few hours ago(20% change) So my question is what would you all do would you risk it early and start putting fish back or continue fighting nitrates? I will add a picture of the tang we lost in hopes someone can identify if it is velvets or ick. Thanks!

What was the copper treatment that was done?

Visually, this tang is very thin and either has advanced ich along with a secondary bacterial infection, or possible velvet as well as ich.

What is the ammonia level of your quarantine tank? The nitrate level is inconsequential....

 

[Tamberav]

40 was after a water change but like I stated the tank is overstocked the highest I’ve seen is closer to 100.

This would not concern me, especially in the short term.

Ammonia is what I would test.

Can we get a video of the current fish?

What copper did you treat with? What level? What did you use to test copper levels? For how long did you treat them?

The fast breathing is not from the Nitrate so trying to figure out the cause such as disease still being present.

Is there good flow/surface movement for oxygenation?