Need help with diagnose

[SimbaAnto]

@Jay Hemdal

Backstory - Had these fishes for a while about 1.5 years now in established tank. All fishes are healthy.

Recently had a issue with tank seam and got a new tank . So did a tank transfer last Tuesday and With the new tank, it's new sand and I lot of particle in the water(you could see in the video). Not sure if this is a because fishes are secreting mucus and these spots are appearing due to stress as it's a new place etc.

Now I see white spot on Gem, Blue Hippo and Regal angel.

Confused as the fishes are doing well . No scratching, rapid breathing, swimming in the flow, Hiding etc. but eating well.

Also these spots are slightly bigger in nature and kind of nodules in some places.

Video here -

 

[Jekyl]

Just to make it easier can you please post another video with white lighting? Blues can hide information that could be vital.

 

[MnFish1]

Of course it's hard to see spots on a gem tang - but I see a couple (I think) of the larger one. As mentioned, it's easier under white light. Even pictures may be easier if you could post with the video. Smaller spots that some and go - are often Ich - which can be seen at times when tanks are changed (and thus, conditions are changed). The larger white spots could be lymphocystis - a viral disease that can come on in times of stress, transfer, etc. There is no cure for lymphocystis. Are the parameters in your tank normal? Is it possible that some of the spots can be grains of sand?

 

[SimbaAnto]

Of course it's hard to see spots on a gem tang - but I see a couple (I think) of the larger one. As mentioned, it's easier under white light. Even pictures may be easier if you could post with the video. Smaller spots that some and go - are often Ich - which can be seen at times when tanks are changed (and thus, conditions are changed). The larger white spots could be lymphocystis - a viral disease that can come on in times of stress, transfer, etc. There is no cure for lymphocystis. Are the parameters in your tank normal? Is it possible that some of the spots can be grains of sand?

My only suspects are grain of sand. It's a lot of particles in the water column due to new sand.

Parameter are normal. Nothing is off. But gem hasn't found it's spot. Sometimes purple is chasing so I am more tend to believe it's the stress mucus with sand particles .

If it's ich, should be some bumped spots which I don't see and with this amount and bigger nodules I am not convinced it's velvet too.

Lymphocytosis - Is it possible within 2 days?

Probably I am going to wait and see . As long as they eat I good. Just watching them.

Started running UV at Protozoans level for now just to ensure the water gets cleared and helps if it's any bacteria ( which I highly doubt).

My gut is Either Mucus cones or Mucus with sand particles or some stress due to new environment. Hardly thinking because all these were disease free for about 1.5 years now.

The moment I start seeing them scratch or laboured breathing or not taking food then I am thinking it's a ich or velvet.

 

[SimbaAnto]

Just to make it easier can you please post another video with white lighting? Blues can hide information that could be vital.

Unfortunately I am trying to take with whites. But tank being new, fishes goes into hiding the moment I change lighting.

 

[SimbaAnto]

@Jekyl @MnFish1 @Jay Hemdal Some high res pics

 

[MnFish1]

The lesions on the pectoral fins look like Ich to me. Are the spots moving/changing location every day or so?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I agree - I was on the fence as to thus being ich or not until I got to the later photos showing spots on the pectoral fins, that looks like ich to me.

Fish with ich will have essentially normal until the infection becomes heavier. Then, they become more lethargic, after that they will stop eating, start breathing faster and then die. Tough to say what the total time frame can be, but 10 to 14 days is about average.

What treatment options are you considering?

My son is getting married this afternoon, so I may not get back online until late tonight.

 

[SimbaAnto]

I agree - I was on the fence as to thus being ich or not until I got to the later photos showing spots on the pectoral fins, that looks like ich to me.

Fish with ich will have essentially normal until the infection becomes heavier. Then, they become more lethargic, after that they will stop eating, start breathing faster and then die. Tough to say what the total time frame can be, but 10 to 14 days is about average.

What treatment options are you considering?

My son is getting married this afternoon, so I may not get back online until late tonight.

To update . ICH hit really bad and I couldn't move my fish to QT setup as I couldn't catch them.

So thought I will give a try for ICH management. But I felt this all started when I took my UV down during the tank move and fish freaked out and got ich(probably as I was running UV I never had ich as it was controlled in my previous setup)

So once I added back UV things started to look better and now fishes fought the ich and a looks lot better.

No fish died and all are eating and has a lot of appetite for food. As I had these fishes for about 2 yrs, I guess they all had good immune and in good health to fight back.

But still, now I know ich is managed in my tank and not eradicated.

I never thought the fish would fight like this again Ich. Nice to know. Thanks all for your guidance here

 

[SimbaAnto]

Posting how my fishes are. Always feels great when they are eating

 

[MnFish1]

Thanks for the update!!

 

[SimbaAnto]

@Jay Hemdal @MnFish1 @vetteguy53081

So fast forward 3rd week now. Fish are looking great with no spots. The last spot I saw was last Friday.

Fishes were covered with ich . Especially my Purple, Gem and Hippo but others none.

But with UV running at 180 GPH (Level for UV 40w). I am surprised to see that fish has fought ich and looking great. Usually I QT when I have these situations, but this time I tried UV. I don't know if this is more of anecdotal. But yeah I am surprised.

Thing is I fed them well with clams and other seafood, nori etc. Fishes never lost appetite and other things is all these fishes are 2 years old now. So may be they have better immunity over the time to fight it.

But yeah, this changed my perception to ich that it's not a death sentence. If I would have caught and QT ed may be by the stress I would lost one of two.

 

[Jekyl]

@Jay Hemdal @MnFish1 @vetteguy53081

So fast forward 3rd week now. Fish are looking great with no spots. The last spot I saw was last Friday.

Fishes were covered with ich . Especially my Purple, Gem and Hippo but others none.

But with UV running at 180 GPH (Level for UV 40w). I am surprised to see that fish has fought ich and looking great. Usually I QT when I have these situations, but this time I tried UV. I don't know if this is more of anecdotal. But yeah I am surprised.

Thing is I fed them well with clams and other seafood, nori etc. Fishes never lost appetite and other things is all these fishes are 2 years old now. So may be they have better immunity over the time to fight it.

But yeah, this changed my perception to ich that it's not a death sentence. If I would have caught and QT ed may be by the stress I would lost one of two.

The only problem is that ich will always be present now. Any new fish added or stress events could trigger another outbreak.

 

[SimbaAnto]

The only problem is that ich will always be present now. Any new fish added or stress events could trigger another outbreak.

Yes agreed and understood but I undermined the power of UV. Also even if I add any fish it would be only some of the wrasses which are less susceptible to ich. Again they will be QT ed prior moving to DT . But yeah i have enough fish in the DT which I may not add any more.

 

[vetteguy53081]

@Jay Hemdal @MnFish1 @vetteguy53081

So fast forward 3rd week now. Fish are looking great with no spots. The last spot I saw was last Friday.

Fishes were covered with ich . Especially my Purple, Gem and Hippo but others none.

But with UV running at 180 GPH (Level for UV 40w). I am surprised to see that fish has fought ich and looking great. Usually I QT when I have these situations, but this time I tried UV. I don't know if this is more of anecdotal. But yeah I am surprised.

Thing is I fed them well with clams and other seafood, nori etc. Fishes never lost appetite and other things is all these fishes are 2 years old now. So may be they have better immunity over the time to fight it.

But yeah, this changed my perception to ich that it's not a death sentence. If I would have caught and QT ed may be by the stress I would lost one of two.

Great to hear. Finish through if you havent with the full 30 days of treatment. With UV which can be effective, when you place the unit within system after the fish were infected, its a misconception that it will erase existing and pre-existing protozoans. Its a great safeguard but it will help with prevention moving forward. While its likely you beat the parasites, again finish regimen. While our protocols call for follow up treatment with praziPro, its likely not necessary, however consider at least an 8 day (you only need one dose for the entire 8 days) application to assure the fish are totally free of foreign matter/disease