Is my tank overstocked?

[toi_ss]

My tank is 190 Gallons with a 50 gallon sump, 30 gallon refugium and the display dimensions of 200x100x36cm, My planned fish list is:

1x Biota Regal Angelfish
1x Lamrack Angelfish
1x Bangaii Cardinal
1x Canary Wrasse
1x Red Lined Wrasse
1x Ornate Leopard Wrasse
1x Meleagris Leopard Wrasse
1x Potters Leopard Wrasse
1x Black Leopard Wrasse
1x Orange Axil Wrasse
1x White-Spotted Tamarin Wrasse
1x Yellow Breast Tamarin Wrasse
2x Skunk/Ocellaris Clownfish

1x Linear Blenny - Tidepool area
1x White Barred Goby - Tidepool area

Maybe Scooter Dragonet
Maybe Dusky Wrasse
Maybe Meleagris Tamarin Wrasse
Maybe New Guinea Tamarin Wrasse

 

[i cant think]

My tank is 190 Gallons with a 50 gallon sump, 30 gallon refugium and the display dimensions of 200x100x36cm, My planned fish list is:

1x Biota Regal Angelfish
1x Lamrack Angelfish
1x Bangaii Cardinal
1x Canary Wrasse
1x Red Lined Wrasse
1x Ornate Leopard Wrasse
1x Meleagris Leopard Wrasse
1x Potters Leopard Wrasse
1x Black Leopard Wrasse
1x Orange Axil Wrasse
1x White-Spotted Tamarin Wrasse
1x Yellow Breast Tamarin Wrasse
2x Skunk/Ocellaris Clownfish

1x Linear Blenny - Tidepool area
1x White Barred Goby - Tidepool area

Maybe Scooter Dragonet
Maybe Dusky Wrasse
Maybe Meleagris Tamarin Wrasse
Maybe New Guinea Tamarin Wrasse

Do you have the Potters Leopard currently? If not then you won’t be able to get hold of one unless someone has one and is breaking down their tank. The reason is that it’s a Hawaiian endemic.

Have you had leopard/tamarin wrasses before? How deep will the sand bed be?

The Stethojulis is a bad idea - nobody seems to get them beyond a few months because of their hyperactivity and need for 10-14 feedings a day (these guys are worse than anthias for feedings).

 

[Naekuh]

Oh man.... talk about a wrassey tank.

I hope you have a very well covering lid, otherwise those will become pretty expensive cat / dog snacks.

 

[i cant think]

Oh man.... talk about a wrassey tank.

I hope you have a very well covering lid, otherwise those will become pretty expensive cat / dog snacks.

Definitely… I had my female Madagascan Half Bar Flasher vanish a few months ago, never solved that mystery even after the upgrade. But one of my dogs does like to sit next to the tank every so often.

 

[littlefoxx]

@Slocke loves wrasses too! Lol

 

[toi_ss]

Do you have the Potters Leopard currently? If not then you won’t be able to get hold of one unless someone has one and is breaking down their tank. The reason is that it’s a Hawaiian endemic.

Have you had leopard/tamarin wrasses before? How deep will the sand bed be?

The Stethojulis is a bad idea - nobody seems to get them beyond a few months because of their hyperactivity and need for 10-14 feedings a day (these guys are worse than anthias for feedings).

Im just considering the potters leopard, I might now. Also my sandbed is around 4 inches at the most shallow point, I've had a white spot tamarin before couple years back, I had success until my dad sold my tank on a holiday. I'm going to be feeding 12x/once an hour and have a big refugium.

 

[toi_ss]

Oh man.... talk about a wrassey tank.

I hope you have a very well covering lid, otherwise those will become pretty expensive cat / dog snacks.

Will not be having a lid, instead with be having basically an enclosed canopy made out of mesh/flyscreen so that I can have mangrove trees and also so that if the fish jump out they wont hurt themselves smashing into the lids.

 

[i cant think]

Im just considering the potters leopard, I might now. Also my sandbed is around 4 inches at the most shallow point, I've had a white spot tamarin before couple years back, I had success until my dad sold my tank on a holiday. I'm going to be feeding 12x/once an hour and have a big refugium.

If I’m honest, because of Stethojulis species being Planktivores they’re not likely to peck at the rocks and a big refugium may not result in any better results. You may also find that these fish need 8 foot tanks or bigger long term due to their activity.

The white spot tamarins are the easier species in that genus. Now I don’t recommend both a white spot and yellow tail as they may bicker a lot more than you want.

Also do you have a plan for introduction and when?

 

[toi_ss]

If I’m honest, because of Stethojulis species being Planktivores they’re not likely to peck at the rocks and a big refugium may not result in any better results. You may also find that these fish need 8 foot tanks or bigger long term due to their activity.

The white spot tamarins are the easier species in that genus. Now I don’t recommend both a white spot and yellow tail as they may bicker a lot more than you want.

Also do you have a plan for introduction and when?

My space for the tank is only 210cm wide and im sort of pushing it with the 200cm tank length, I really want to have this fish. To maximize the swimming room for the fish, I will have sort of a bommie style aquascape with a large tidepool area in the corner for fish to hide in, also with the bommies the fish will be able to get out of eachothers line of sight and swim front to back as well as left to right. I don't think I will keep the yellow tail as well as the white spot as the yellow tail is harder and kinda looks the same.

For fish introduction my current plan is;
1, Clowns, Bangaii
2 Blenny, goby
3 Lamrack, Halichoeres
4 Macropharyngodon
5 Anampses
6 Stethojulis
7 Regal Angelfish

I will be using acclimation boxes and qt for most fish (not the stethojulis or anampses) also will be adding the halichoeres wrasses first as they are the most hardy out of the genuses I have chosen but im not sure about this due to them being also the most aggressive out of the wrasses. Please give suggestions.

 

[i cant think]

My space for the tank is only 210cm wide and im sort of pushing it with the 200cm tank length, I really want to have this fish. To maximize the swimming room for the fish, I will have sort of a bommie style aquascape with a large tidepool area in the corner for fish to hide in, also with the bommies the fish will be able to get out of eachothers line of sight and swim front to back as well as left to right. I don't think I will keep the yellow tail as well as the white spot as the yellow tail is harder and kinda looks the same.

For fish introduction my current plan is;
1, Clowns, Bangaii
2 Blenny, goby
3 Lamrack, Halichoeres
4 Macropharyngodon
5 Anampses
6 Stethojulis
7 Regal Angelfish

I will be using acclimation boxes and qt for most fish (not the stethojulis or anampses) also will be adding the halichoeres wrasses first as they are the most hardy out of the genuses I have chosen but im not sure about this due to them being also the most aggressive out of the wrasses. Please give suggestions.

I would add the Anampses and Macropharyngodon first and then the Halichoeres and Stethojulis.
Also any reason to not having Cirrhilabrus/Paracheilinus species?

As for Meleagris being harder than Melanurus I would argue it’s the other way round - think why you almost never see melanurus any more but you see meleagris quite often.

 

[toi_ss]

I would add the Anampses and Macropharyngodon first and then the Halichoeres and Stethojulis.

Is this due to them being peaceful? I thought they needed much more mature tanks then the halichoeres wrasses?

Also any reason to not having Cirrhilabrus/Paracheilinus species?

Just not a fan and also limited choices of species due to being in new zealand and there aren't too many of these on the import list

As for Meleagris being harder than Melanurus I would argue it’s the other way round - think why you almost never see melanurus any more but you see meleagris quite often.

From all the sources I have seen they say that melanarus is one of the easiest anampses but I guess you have more experience

 

[i cant think]

Is this due to them being peaceful? I thought they needed much more mature tanks then the halichoeres wrasses?

I recommend looking at my build - I have a Twistii, 3 Pencils, and 2 (technically 3) Leopards.
My 5’ tank is only around a month old.

 

[toi_ss]

I recommend looking at my build - I have a Twistii, 3 Pencils, and 2 (technically 3) Leopards.
My 5’ tank is only around a month old.

Very nice, just checked out your thread. I'm planning for my tank to sort of be like a shaded mangrove tidepool area with low light corals and anemones going down to a open macroalgae/seagrass/softie area and then moving further down a more bluer sps and lps bommie reef. Inspired by the fringing reefs and mangroves of raja ampat, also trying to keep every fish on the stocking list found in that area.

 

[Paul B]

I don't think it is overstocked. My tank is 120 gallons and I have almost twice as many fish

 

[toi_ss]

I don't think it is overstocked. My tank is 120 gallons and I have almost twice as many fish

Okay, do you think I can get away with having a skimmer that is rated up to 900 litres with a 920 litre total system?

 

[GARRIGA]

Generally speaking. Don’t believe there’s such a thing as an overstock tank but one could have inadequate filtration and oxygen concerns should that filter stop working or oxygen demand greater than gas exchange. I’ve seen very overstocked tanks at wholesalers backed by an immense filtration system. Key was ensuring each wasn’t cramped as far as tank dimensions. Having cramped quarters due to tank buddies didn’t seem to be a thing.

Caveat being aggression concerns although seems to me based on what I’ve seen that sometimes salt act like African Cichlids in that larger company tends to disperse aggression although that’s not a blanket statement and therefore each will get different mileage

 

[toi_ss]

Generally speaking. Don’t believe there’s such a thing as an overstock tank but one could have inadequate filtration and it gen concerns should that filter stop working or oxygen demand greater than gas exchange. I’ve seen very stock stocked tanks at wholesalers backed by an immense filtration system. Key was ensuring each wasn’t cramped as far as tank dimensions. Having cramped quarters due to tank buddies didn’t seem to be a thing.

Yeah im mostly talking about like bioload, like if this list would be considered high but my guess is that it's low to medium.

Caveat being aggression concerns although seems to me based on what I’ve seen that sometimes salt act like African Cichlids in that larger company tends to disperse aggression although that’s not a blanket statement and as far dusk each will get different mileage

Every fish I have chosen minus the regal angelfish which will go last are known for being very peaceful. I hear that alot about tangs, where having like 2-3 kinda sucks and they can be super aggressive and then when you have like 9+ it gets dispersed alot more.

 

[GARRIGA]

Yeah im mostly talking about like bioload, like if this list would be considered high but my guess is that it's low to medium.

Every fish I have chosen minus the regal angelfish which will go last are known for being very peaceful. I hear that alot about tangs, where having like 2-3 kinda sucks and they can be super aggressive and then when you have like 9+ it gets dispersed alot more.

Bio-load easily solved by over-filtering the tank within reason. Oxygen demand might still be higher than assumed and why having DO meter helps. Not the cheapest but mine cost about $275 decade ago. Can also visually check fish behavior but usually by then one is now in emergency mode.

Add most aggressive last would be my approach allowing others to stake out territories although often the most aggressive don't care anything already established. Bullies will be bullies and all fish like people have their own personalities.

Minimum you're asking what's compatible. That's always a good start but in the end might not play out as planned. Sometimes just need to let them figure it out and the weakest might get weeded out. Nature isn't kind, unfortunately.

 

[toi_ss]

Have you ever tried keeping multiple halichoeres wrasses toghether? I'm thinking about keeping a harem of canary wrasses because I want some more halichoeres and the red lined wrasses aren't really found too often in raja ampat where im basing the biotope off and also I want a yellow fish that I can shoal because my original plan was yellow tangs but they are expensive, not from the biotope region and also eat macroalgae. Thanks

I recommend looking at my build - I have a Twistii, 3 Pencils, and 2 (technically 3) Leopards.
My 5’ tank is only around a month old.

 

[boca rat]

r.e Tangs, how big are they?

FWIW I had 3 (yellow, sailfin, blue all added one at a time) all medium sized for years no issues and just added a largish Mimic and a Purple. No issues with aggression at all after the first 2 days with each addition.

175g bowfront,