Instant Ocean Reef Crystals very low alk and dead corals

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Hello. Sorry for a very long post but there are a lot of points to this story. I had a very healthy 32 gal BioCube for the past 9 mos. Very healthy torch, carpet, hammer and frogspawn corals (for a total of only 5 corals) and lots of cuc. Close attention to major water parameters eased off after 6 mos of nearly identical weekly chem tests using only Instant Ocean Reef Crystals. Changed about 12% of water weekly.
Then I bought a new bucket of Instant Ocean Reef Crystals (the third), mixed a large batch of water with perfect salinity at 1.025, and changed the water before going in to have major surgery. When I can came back 9 days later, my tank had been cared for by my college students who had been trained and been giving care for many months. But my corals were in serious distress. The phosphate was VERY high, alk was low 6.2) and I assumed they had been over feeding, knowing there would be several days between when they left for the semester and when I returned (apparently they just can’t get it in their head that too little is way better than too much…). Anyway, I began immediate water changes every other day and added some chemipure elite to bring the phos down, which over a week worked. But the corals crashed and I lost every single coral, cuc, tube worm and urchin in the tank. Only the fish survived. As I begin the heartbreaking process of starting over, I began by testing and even with Jo corals, and all other parameters at good levels, the all had dropped again. I checked all in my water stock tank and the water mixed exactly per the label with DI water and a salinity of 1.025 had an alk of only 2.8 and Mg over 1500! Now I am wondering if the reef crystals were more of a culprit than I suspected, and that those water changes were actually making things worse. Any comments to help me straighten this out? I am devastated by the speed with which everything died, and hesitant to invest so much heart, time and money in this again.
 

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I checked all in my water stock tank and the water mixed exactly per the label with DI water and a salinity of 1.025 had an alk of only 2.8 and Mg over 1500! Now I am wondering if the reef crystals were more of a culprit than I suspected, and that those water changes were actually making things worse. Any comments to help me straighten this out? I am devastated by the speed with which everything died, and hesitant to invest so much heart, time and money in this again.

Very sorry to hear of the loses. :(

Was that a check of the water used, or a new batch of water made from the same salt mix? if the former, I'd manually mix another batch from that same bucket, if you have it, and test the alk to see if that is the issue, or if something else unexpected happened.
 
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The parameters I listed are from the latest batch of stock out of the same bucket of salt I used to change water several times over the previous 10-ish days. Never in a million years thought to check it before using it (beyond Sal) because for many months it had always been rock steady.
 

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The parameters I listed are from the latest batch of stock out of the same bucket of salt I used to change water several times over the previous 10-ish days. Never in a million years thought to check it before using it (beyond Sal) because for many months it had always been rock steady.

I've never seen alk of a salt mix that low.

Before tossing it (which I would if a decent sized portion of the bucket had alk that low), I'd get a different batch or brand and test alk in it to be sure it isn't a kit issue.
 

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Sorry to hear about your losses. That’s heartbreaking.

I’ve used (and tested) Reef Crystals for many years, and I’ve never seen a fresh batch produce alk below 9. It’s usually 10+.

It’s possible you got a bad batch. Do you know that your test kits are reasonably accurate? Can you get a sample from another batch to test against?
 

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A few thoughts

1 - There is not a whole lot of difference between Reef Crystals and Instant Ocean. But Instant Ocean is made in massive batch sizes compared to Reef Crystals. At one point even the manufacturer (I will have to find the reference) admitted that the IO batch to batch, bucket to bucket consistency and QC was better.

2 - These are dry materials with different particle sizes and weights that range from heavy crystals to fine powders. During packing, shipping and handling from point of origin to your mixing station settling and stratification of the different raw components are expected and very likely, especially in a smooth hard sided bucket.

My advice would be to switch to IO instead of RC and make sure to very thoroughly (this goes for any salt brand) mix the dry contents of the bucket before using it. I would also Test the water parameters, at least one time per bucket if not every batch mixed.
 
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I've never seen alk of a salt mix that low.

Before tossing it (which I would if a decent sized portion of the bucket had alk that low), I'd get a different batch or brand and test alk in it to be sure it isn't a kit issue.
I have been using Salifert kits but I just ordered a set of Hanna Checkers and will let you know my readings when they arrive on TUE. Thanks for your input!
 

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A lack of dosing did not wipe out the tank. There are a ton of variables here and pinpointing it down to one is going to be next to impossible sadly.
 

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A lack of dosing did not wipe out the tank. There are a ton of variables here and pinpointing it down to one is going to be next to impossible sadly.
no, but it was an alk issue, he could have dosed, but since u r more knowledgeable than my 3 months in the hobby, u are more likely to be correct :D
 
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I don’t understand why I needed to dose when all parameters have been fine until this last two weeks.
 
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I understand that, but something caused the very dramatic and sudden deviation from normal in a very short time while I was on medical leave, and the only thing that changed was a little too much food and a new bucket of salt crystals. And now I have salt crystals that “seem” to be producing water with uncharacteristically poor numbers.
 

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I've had issues with RC as well. That is, I think I've had issues with it...LOL. The values were off but I had to question my test kits so I'm not so sure.
I still use it now because this is the salt I've been using for years. The only exception now is that I buy 50 gallon bags instead of the buckets.I shake each one of them well in a bucket. After, I split it up in 2 parts which gets me 2 water changes. I get it from Amazon and the box was shipped from "Saltwater Aquarium". The date on it is from march 2024. Does the date matter, I don't know, but at least I know I didn't get salt that has been sitting for years.

Unfortunately you cannot rule out other factors that led to your tank crash.
 

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