I just lost $5,000 in aquatic life because I did something stupid

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I am really devastated.



I have been working on creating a sustainable ecosystem (indo/central pacific and heavily Hawaiian islands) with my saltwater tank. I want to breed a variety of specific hard to get species so that the aquarium trade doesn’t continue to have such devastating effects on the oceanic ecosystems. I also want to share and teach my appreciation of the ocean and it’s ecosystems with others. It’s one of my longest and biggest dreams.



It brings me back to my childhood when my dad lived on his sail boat in Oceanside, Southern California. He taught me a lot about the ocean and it’s life. I have always had a love and respect for the ocean and it’s ecosystem.



Hawaii and the indo-pacific have shut down all operations for a minimum of 3 years... great for the wild life! however that makes my dream of having my ecosystem and breeding sustainably REALLY a challenge. So I did what any panicked dreamer does with a credit card and the REALLY RARE opportunity to purchase all of the fish I had planned... ALL AT ONCE!



My tank could handle the bioload.

And it was.



Then Thursday happened. I knew better than to mess with cucumbers. (I got to help my clean up crew, thought it would be ok.) something bothered it. (Thinking it was my potters angel since he was all of a sudden pale and the only one that looked distressed.) it went into self defense mode and spit out its guts and released toxins. I thought I had caught it in time... but it set off a chain reaction. The puffers then puffed and released their toxins in defense on the other side of the tank. In 15 minutes. Even with heavy amounts of activated carbon already in place... I lost several thousands in aquatic life.



survivors :

* 5 green chomis,

* dwarf moray eel,

* yellow tang,

* 2 dragon faced pipefish,

...



Schrodinger’s listed:



* 1 golden eyed kole,

* 1 fire fish,

* cleaner wrasse,

* coco worm,

* Orange starfish,

* 3 saron shrimp,

* 1 fighting conch,

* peppermint shrimp,

* 5 zebra dwarf hermit crabs,

* all mushrooms,

* leather corals, hammer coral, duncans, zoas, +

* campfire and pink feather duster worms,

* humpback cowrie

* arrow crab

* 2 barnacles

* 2 mussels

* bubble snails

* micro jellyfish

* star polyps

* frogspawn coral

* 3 mini maxi anemones,

* copepods, amphipods, dwarf stars, tongan snails, nassarius snails, astraea snails, turbo snails, thin striped hermit crabs, macro algae, etc.

* other micro flora/fauna

...



Known casualties:



* gold neon gobies (mated pair with eggs)

* flame fairy wrasses (mated pair)

* 5 firefish

* 3 pink streaked wrasses

* 1 golden eyed kole

* pyramid butterfly fish

* court jester goby

* 2 long nosed butterfly fish

* pebbled Angel fish

* 2 potters Angel fish (male & female)

* fishers Angel fish

* 2 Hawaiian white spotted puffers

* white spotted dwarf goby

* 1 dragon faced pipefish

* blue striped pipefish

* 5 Vanderbuilt chromis,

* 2 fighting conches,

* 2 limpets

* 2 short spine urchins,

* 2 long spine urchins,

* 3 flame scallops,

* 12 sexy shrimp

* 6 saron shrimp

* 1 cucumber

* chocolate chip starfish,

On Thursday I spent a few hours staring at my fish that I had pulled out of the tank and into clean water with a heater and a bubbler hoping that they would snap out of it, breaking down and trying to give them fish “CPR” hoping that I would revive them... I am still in denial and shock.

Friday and Saturday I watched my vander’s die one by one and all of my mushrooms and coral melt like the wicked witch of the west...


It’s Sunday ... and I can’t catch a break. Even the life forms in the sand are jumping ship. It doesn’t look hopeful that I’ll have any survivors. Every time I do a water change the tank seems to get worse. My live sand is turning black right before my eyes.
And yes. I have been pumping extra oxygen into the tank for a few hours. I also got close to 50 lbs of live rock that I have just added to the tank. Never in all my life of keeping fish have I ever seen or have anything like this happen to such an extreme.



I am at a complete loss as how to move forward.

anyone know how I can salvage my tank?
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I am really devastated.



I have been working on creating a sustainable ecosystem (indo/central pacific and heavily Hawaiian islands) with my saltwater tank. I want to breed a variety of specific hard to get species so that the aquarium trade doesn’t continue to have such devastating effects on the oceanic ecosystems. I also want to share and teach my appreciation of the ocean and it’s ecosystems with others. It’s one of my longest and biggest dreams.



It brings me back to my childhood when my dad lived on his sail boat in Oceanside, Southern California. He taught me a lot about the ocean and it’s life. I have always had a love and respect for the ocean and it’s ecosystem.



Hawaii and the indo-pacific have shut down all operations for a minimum of 3 years... great for the wild life! however that makes my dream of having my ecosystem and breeding sustainably REALLY a challenge. So I did what any panicked dreamer does with a credit card and the REALLY RARE opportunity to purchase all of the fish I had planned... ALL AT ONCE!



My tank could handle the bioload.

And it was.



Then Thursday happened. I knew better than to mess with cucumbers. (I got to help my clean up crew, thought it would be ok.) something bothered it. (Thinking it was my potters angel since he was all of a sudden pale and the only one that looked distressed.) it went into self defense mode and spit out its guts and released toxins. I thought I had caught it in time... but it set off a chain reaction. The puffers then puffed and released their toxins in defense on the other side of the tank. In 15 minutes. Even with heavy amounts of activated carbon already in place... I lost several thousands in aquatic life.



survivors :

* 5 green chomis,

* dwarf moray eel,

* yellow tang,

* 2 dragon faced pipefish,

...



Schrodinger’s listed:



* 1 golden eyed kole,

* 1 fire fish,

* cleaner wrasse,

* coco worm,

* Orange starfish,

* 3 saron shrimp,

* 1 fighting conch,

* peppermint shrimp,

* 5 zebra dwarf hermit crabs,

* all mushrooms,

* leather corals, hammer coral, duncans, zoas, +

* campfire and pink feather duster worms,

* humpback cowrie

* arrow crab

* 2 barnacles

* 2 mussels

* bubble snails

* micro jellyfish

* star polyps

* frogspawn coral

* 3 mini maxi anemones,

* copepods, amphipods, dwarf stars, tongan snails, nassarius snails, astraea snails, turbo snails, thin striped hermit crabs, macro algae, etc.

* other micro flora/fauna

...



Known casualties:



* gold neon gobies (mated pair with eggs)

* flame fairy wrasses (mated pair)

* 5 firefish

* 3 pink streaked wrasses

* 1 golden eyed kole

* pyramid butterfly fish

* court jester goby

* 2 long nosed butterfly fish

* pebbled Angel fish

* 2 potters Angel fish (male & female)

* fishers Angel fish

* 2 Hawaiian white spotted puffers

* white spotted dwarf goby

* 1 dragon faced pipefish

* blue striped pipefish

* 5 Vanderbuilt chromis,

* 2 fighting conches,

* 2 limpets

* 2 short spine urchins,

* 2 long spine urchins,

* 3 flame scallops,

* 12 sexy shrimp

* 6 saron shrimp

* 1 cucumber

* chocolate chip starfish,

On Thursday I spent a few hours staring at my fish that I had pulled out of the tank and into clean water with a heater and a bubbler hoping that they would snap out of it, breaking down and trying to give them fish “CPR” hoping that I would revive them... I am still in denial and shock.

Friday and Saturday I watched my vander’s die one by one and all of my mushrooms and coral melt like the wicked witch of the west...


It’s Sunday ... and I can’t catch a break. Even the life forms in the sand are jumping ship. It doesn’t look hopeful that I’ll have any survivors. Every time I do a water change the tank seems to get worse. My live sand is turning black right before my eyes.
And yes. I have been pumping extra oxygen into the tank for a few hours. I also got close to 50 lbs of live rock that I have just added to the tank. Never in all my life of keeping fish have I ever seen or have anything like this happen to such an extreme.



I am at a complete loss as how to move forward.

anyone know how I can salvage my tank? View attachment 2007359View attachment 2007360View attachment 2007361View attachment 2007362View attachment 2007364View attachment 2007365View attachment 2007366View attachment 2007367View attachment 2007368View attachment 2007370 View attachment 2007369
I’m so sorry man... if it makes u feel better I’ve been there too... oof I hope u recover :(
 
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Are those just coral skeleton or did they die too? It seems to me, you tried instant gratification and lost. Sorry for your loss, but this hobby is slow and steady. Nothing ever really works when it's done instantly.
 
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That sucks. Do you have another tank you can move survivors to? Do you have saltwater premixed you can do a massive water change with?
I had just finished cycling a 20 gallon that I was going to hook up to my larger system as a macro algae aqua scape. But when I moved everything over it started cycling again. So I had to move everything back to the big tank. Right now they are in a 5 gallon transit container with a heater, light, and bubbler. Also some macro algae until the tanks settle a bit.
 
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Sorry for your loss.. never keep those sea hairs man. I had one once and i caught it before it released toxins.. when i put it in a container thrn it released it.


But i feel your pain.. i recently went through a bacterial infection that killed

4 chalices. 1 800-1000$ basketball sized green splatter bubble coral, three favias.. two were hand sized. Killed all ny toxic green trumpets. Half of my baby blue trumpets. My acans.. ect

And i managed to stop the infection with antibiotics. But in my haste to try different things.. i tried an herbal treatment from a brand i cant say.. and it killed 12 of my acroporas... So i lost 1200$ in acroporas.


All together i lost about 3000$ in corals. But the antibiotics did work and saved my remaining lps as the infection was killing only lps.. favias. Acans. Trumpets. Bubbles ect.


Stick with it man.. and keep going.. I know this doesnt help you but i got lucky.. the store owner this disease came from.. owned up and replaced 4 of my corals... and the place that made this herbal treatment gave me a check for my acroporas. I know you cant do what i got lucky from.. but i hope you dont quit thr hobby.. just learn from this
 

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Are those just coral skeleton or did they die too? It seems to me, you tried instant gratification and lost. Sorry for your loss, but this hobby is slow and steady. Nothing ever really works when it's done instantly.
Yes and no... I started ny first reef 4 years ago.. i used 1 gallon of fritzyme 9 to instant cycle ny tabk. And threw acroporas. Zoas and hanners in on the 2nd day.. using tap water.. a hob.. no sump or skimmer.. and 4 years later i still have all the same corals nothing died.
 
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Are those just coral skeleton or did they die too? It seems to me, you tried instant gratification and lost. Sorry for your loss, but this hobby is slow and steady. Nothing ever really works when it's done instantly.
I decorated with a lot of coral skeletons. It helps with territory’s, more areas to “claim.” I have been a keeper of many tanks over my lifetime. So I know it is a slow and beautiful hobby. It took me 6 months of building the Micro flora and fauna: copepods/Amphipods/phytoplankton/+ other odd “bugs” before I added my larger inverts. Then I added fish. I had 30 fish already in my tank when I bought the cucumber, and wrasses, puffers, and potters. They had all been in the tank for 72 hours with no issues. No issues with the frequent water changes while the bioload adjusted. (5 gallon water changes every few hours.) My tank was clear, and no one was showing any signs of stress.
 
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Sorry for your loss.. never keep those sea hairs man. I had one once and i caught it before it released toxins.. when i put it in a container thrn it released it.


But i feel your pain.. i recently went through a bacterial infection that killed

4 chalices. 1 800-1000$ basketball sized green splatter bubble coral, three favias.. two were hand sized. Killed all ny toxic green trumpets. Half of my baby blue trumpets. My acans.. ect

And i managed to stop the infection with antibiotics. But in my haste to try different things.. i tried an herbal treatment from a brand i cant say.. and it killed 12 of my acroporas... So i lost 1200$ in acroporas.


All together i lost about 3000$ in corals. But the antibiotics did work and saved my remaining lps as the infection was killing only lps.. favias. Acans. Trumpets. Bubbles ect.


Stick with it man.. and keep going.. I know this doesnt help you but i got lucky.. the store owner this disease came from.. owned up and replaced 4 of my corals... and the place that made this herbal treatment gave me a check for my acroporas. I know you cant do what i got lucky from.. but i hope you dont quit thr hobby.. just learn from this
Yup, and learn I did. No cucumbers. Especially with nippy fish. I am not one to give up on the hobby, even though my husband really doesn’t like fish tanks.
 

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I am really devastated.



I have been working on creating a sustainable ecosystem (indo/central pacific and heavily Hawaiian islands) with my saltwater tank. I want to breed a variety of specific hard to get species so that the aquarium trade doesn’t continue to have such devastating effects on the oceanic ecosystems. I also want to share and teach my appreciation of the ocean and it’s ecosystems with others. It’s one of my longest and biggest dreams.



It brings me back to my childhood when my dad lived on his sail boat in Oceanside, Southern California. He taught me a lot about the ocean and it’s life. I have always had a love and respect for the ocean and it’s ecosystem.



Hawaii and the indo-pacific have shut down all operations for a minimum of 3 years... great for the wild life! however that makes my dream of having my ecosystem and breeding sustainably REALLY a challenge. So I did what any panicked dreamer does with a credit card and the REALLY RARE opportunity to purchase all of the fish I had planned... ALL AT ONCE!



My tank could handle the bioload.

And it was.



Then Thursday happened. I knew better than to mess with cucumbers. (I got to help my clean up crew, thought it would be ok.) something bothered it. (Thinking it was my potters angel since he was all of a sudden pale and the only one that looked distressed.) it went into self defense mode and spit out its guts and released toxins. I thought I had caught it in time... but it set off a chain reaction. The puffers then puffed and released their toxins in defense on the other side of the tank. In 15 minutes. Even with heavy amounts of activated carbon already in place... I lost several thousands in aquatic life.



survivors :

* 5 green chomis,

* dwarf moray eel,

* yellow tang,

* 2 dragon faced pipefish,

...



Schrodinger’s listed:



* 1 golden eyed kole,

* 1 fire fish,

* cleaner wrasse,

* coco worm,

* Orange starfish,

* 3 saron shrimp,

* 1 fighting conch,

* peppermint shrimp,

* 5 zebra dwarf hermit crabs,

* all mushrooms,

* leather corals, hammer coral, duncans, zoas, +

* campfire and pink feather duster worms,

* humpback cowrie

* arrow crab

* 2 barnacles

* 2 mussels

* bubble snails

* micro jellyfish

* star polyps

* frogspawn coral

* 3 mini maxi anemones,

* copepods, amphipods, dwarf stars, tongan snails, nassarius snails, astraea snails, turbo snails, thin striped hermit crabs, macro algae, etc.

* other micro flora/fauna

...



Known casualties:



* gold neon gobies (mated pair with eggs)

* flame fairy wrasses (mated pair)

* 5 firefish

* 3 pink streaked wrasses

* 1 golden eyed kole

* pyramid butterfly fish

* court jester goby

* 2 long nosed butterfly fish

* pebbled Angel fish

* 2 potters Angel fish (male & female)

* fishers Angel fish

* 2 Hawaiian white spotted puffers

* white spotted dwarf goby

* 1 dragon faced pipefish

* blue striped pipefish

* 5 Vanderbuilt chromis,

* 2 fighting conches,

* 2 limpets

* 2 short spine urchins,

* 2 long spine urchins,

* 3 flame scallops,

* 12 sexy shrimp

* 6 saron shrimp

* 1 cucumber

* chocolate chip starfish,

On Thursday I spent a few hours staring at my fish that I had pulled out of the tank and into clean water with a heater and a bubbler hoping that they would snap out of it, breaking down and trying to give them fish “CPR” hoping that I would revive them... I am still in denial and shock.

Friday and Saturday I watched my vander’s die one by one and all of my mushrooms and coral melt like the wicked witch of the west...


It’s Sunday ... and I can’t catch a break. Even the life forms in the sand are jumping ship. It doesn’t look hopeful that I’ll have any survivors. Every time I do a water change the tank seems to get worse. My live sand is turning black right before my eyes.
And yes. I have been pumping extra oxygen into the tank for a few hours. I also got close to 50 lbs of live rock that I have just added to the tank. Never in all my life of keeping fish have I ever seen or have anything like this happen to such an extreme.



I am at a complete loss as how to move forward.

anyone know how I can salvage my tank? View attachment 2007359View attachment 2007360View attachment 2007361View attachment 2007362View attachment 2007364View attachment 2007365View attachment 2007366View attachment 2007367View attachment 2007368View attachment 2007370 View attachment 2007369
Felt your emotion. I felt everything you felt in taking the time to write that. I am so incredibly sorry for your loss.

If I may offer one piece of advice, and that is to NOT GIVE UP on your dreams. It WILL HAPPEN. Please one day believe in yourself that it can and that it will.

Rob
 
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Felt your emotion. I felt everything you felt in taking the time to write that. I am so incredibly sorry for your loss.

If I may offer one piece of advice, and that is to NOT GIVE UP on your dreams. It WILL HAPPEN. Please one day believe in yourself that it can and that it will.

Rob
What is this “give-up” you speak of, it’s not in my vocabulary. some of the inverts/ microbes / macro algae in my system is really not easy to obtain. And it just got a whole lot more difficult. If they don’t pull through I’ll have important pillars in my ecosystem gone that the system was reliant on.
 
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Yup, and learn I did. No cucumbers. Especially with nippy fish. I am not one to give up on the hobby, even though my husband really doesn’t like fish tanks.


Spouses come and go.. Your true passion in life is what keeps you going.. thata how i see it LOL.

Maybe i sound bitter.. but no wife would dictate what i do with my life.. If i married someone like that id file for divorce lol. Or not even marry em at all.

My ex hated that i loved my Jeeps and worked on cars... hense why shes my ex LOL
 

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I had just finished cycling a 20 gallon that I was going to hook up to my larger system as a macro algae aqua scape. But when I moved everything over it started cycling again. So I had to move everything back to the big tank. Right now they are in a 5 gallon transit container with a heater, light, and bubbler. Also some macro algae until the tanks settle a bit.

Aside from extra air exchange and GAC not much else to do. Not sure what toxins are released by cucumbers, but GAC and macro should absorb it. Consider getting more utilitarian macro.

I have been reefing for 50 yrs. I also put more emphasis on micro fauna & fana. Not many people wait 6 months to establish complex food webs to recycle organic & inorganic nutrients into live food. Kudos to your goal.
 
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What is this “give-up” you speak of, it’s not in my vocabulary. some of the inverts/ microbes / macro algae in my system is really not easy to obtain. And it just got a whole lot more difficult. If they don’t pull through I’ll have important pillars in my ecosystem gone that the system was reliant on.

Please describe “important pillars” in your build. Consider starting a tank thread on that forum. How big is your tank?

In the last two years, I have incorporated sponges as the third leg of biofiltration in my 25 year old tank.

 
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I am really devastated.



I have been working on creating a sustainable ecosystem (indo/central pacific and heavily Hawaiian islands) with my saltwater tank. I want to breed a variety of specific hard to get species so that the aquarium trade doesn’t continue to have such devastating effects on the oceanic ecosystems. I also want to share and teach my appreciation of the ocean and it’s ecosystems with others. It’s one of my longest and biggest dreams.



It brings me back to my childhood when my dad lived on his sail boat in Oceanside, Southern California. He taught me a lot about the ocean and it’s life. I have always had a love and respect for the ocean and it’s ecosystem.



Hawaii and the indo-pacific have shut down all operations for a minimum of 3 years... great for the wild life! however that makes my dream of having my ecosystem and breeding sustainably REALLY a challenge. So I did what any panicked dreamer does with a credit card and the REALLY RARE opportunity to purchase all of the fish I had planned... ALL AT ONCE!



My tank could handle the bioload.

And it was.



Then Thursday happened. I knew better than to mess with cucumbers. (I got to help my clean up crew, thought it would be ok.) something bothered it. (Thinking it was my potters angel since he was all of a sudden pale and the only one that looked distressed.) it went into self defense mode and spit out its guts and released toxins. I thought I had caught it in time... but it set off a chain reaction. The puffers then puffed and released their toxins in defense on the other side of the tank. In 15 minutes. Even with heavy amounts of activated carbon already in place... I lost several thousands in aquatic life.



survivors :

* 5 green chomis,

* dwarf moray eel,

* yellow tang,

* 2 dragon faced pipefish,

...



Schrodinger’s listed:



* 1 golden eyed kole,

* 1 fire fish,

* cleaner wrasse,

* coco worm,

* Orange starfish,

* 3 saron shrimp,

* 1 fighting conch,

* peppermint shrimp,

* 5 zebra dwarf hermit crabs,

* all mushrooms,

* leather corals, hammer coral, duncans, zoas, +

* campfire and pink feather duster worms,

* humpback cowrie

* arrow crab

* 2 barnacles

* 2 mussels

* bubble snails

* micro jellyfish

* star polyps

* frogspawn coral

* 3 mini maxi anemones,

* copepods, amphipods, dwarf stars, tongan snails, nassarius snails, astraea snails, turbo snails, thin striped hermit crabs, macro algae, etc.

* other micro flora/fauna

...



Known casualties:



* gold neon gobies (mated pair with eggs)

* flame fairy wrasses (mated pair)

* 5 firefish

* 3 pink streaked wrasses

* 1 golden eyed kole

* pyramid butterfly fish

* court jester goby

* 2 long nosed butterfly fish

* pebbled Angel fish

* 2 potters Angel fish (male & female)

* fishers Angel fish

* 2 Hawaiian white spotted puffers

* white spotted dwarf goby

* 1 dragon faced pipefish

* blue striped pipefish

* 5 Vanderbuilt chromis,

* 2 fighting conches,

* 2 limpets

* 2 short spine urchins,

* 2 long spine urchins,

* 3 flame scallops,

* 12 sexy shrimp

* 6 saron shrimp

* 1 cucumber

* chocolate chip starfish,

On Thursday I spent a few hours staring at my fish that I had pulled out of the tank and into clean water with a heater and a bubbler hoping that they would snap out of it, breaking down and trying to give them fish “CPR” hoping that I would revive them... I am still in denial and shock.

Friday and Saturday I watched my vander’s die one by one and all of my mushrooms and coral melt like the wicked witch of the west...


It’s Sunday ... and I can’t catch a break. Even the life forms in the sand are jumping ship. It doesn’t look hopeful that I’ll have any survivors. Every time I do a water change the tank seems to get worse. My live sand is turning black right before my eyes.
And yes. I have been pumping extra oxygen into the tank for a few hours. I also got close to 50 lbs of live rock that I have just added to the tank. Never in all my life of keeping fish have I ever seen or have anything like this happen to such an extreme.



I am at a complete loss as how to move forward.

anyone know how I can salvage my tank? View attachment 2007359View attachment 2007360View attachment 2007361View attachment 2007362View attachment 2007364View attachment 2007365View attachment 2007366View attachment 2007367View attachment 2007368View attachment 2007370 View attachment 2007369
I have been here too. Cucumbers are so beautiful and cheap, they should come with warnings. I didn't even know what was happening.
 
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Polyp polynomial: How many heads do you start with when buying zoas?

  • One head is enough to get started.

    Votes: 27 10.6%
  • 2 to 4 heads.

    Votes: 145 57.1%
  • 5 heads or more.

    Votes: 65 25.6%
  • Full colony.

    Votes: 10 3.9%
  • Other.

    Votes: 7 2.8%

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