How much phyto should I feed a gorgonian?

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I just blew 5ml of phyto at my little piece of blueberry sea fan that I got yesterday. Is that enough? should I feed more? Is there a ratio of phyto per polyp I should adhere to?
Also, should I turn off flow when feeding or is it fine for phyto to blow past it?
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I think they eat zooplankton not phytoplankton but I could be wrong?
Some gorgonians feed on zooplankton, some on phyto, and some possibly on both; with Blueberry Gorgonians, the water is a bit muddy.

To my knowledge, the common name Blueberry Gorgonian is used for both Acanthogorgia spp. (formerly known as Acalycigorgia spp.) and Guaiagorgia anas - I can't find any info on the feeding of G. anas, and I can only find info on the feeding of one Acanthogorgia sp.; A. vegae.

A. vegae feeds on zooplankton (it has been documented feeding on both rotifers and Artemia in lab settings), so I'd definitely recommend offering zooplankton, but I'd also personally suggest offering both zooplankton (preferably enriched/gut-loaded) and phyto just to be safe (I'd probably suggest a phyto blend, as there's no way of knowing at this point which if any phyto would be nutritious to the coral).
Also, should I turn off flow when feeding or is it fine for phyto to blow past it?
Definitely leave the flow on and feed the plankton into the flow so that it blows into/beyond the coral; in some cases with filter feeders, trying to feed them directly by blowing the food onto them actually causes them stress, so it's typically better to feed indirectly by putting the food into the flow and just letting the food flow to them so they can catch it at their leisure.

For A. vegae and a few other gorgonians, they found that it's optimal flow for feeding was ~8cm/second (though it was nearly optimal at 6-10cm/second; 8cm/second meaning that a neutrally buoyant object would float 8 centimeters through the water every second in the flow); the colonies they tested had 63 and 84 branches respectively (so they were relatively large colonies), but they ate ~1,200 to 1,400 Artemia in an hour. As far as I can tell, yours seems closer to ~1/3 to 1/2 the size, but assuming yours eats zooplankton and would have a relatively similar feeding rate, that'd mean that at an optimal feeding rate it would consume ~400 to 600 Artemia in an hour.
I just blew 5ml of phyto at my little piece of blueberry sea fan that I got yesterday. Is that enough? should I feed more? Is there a ratio of phyto per polyp I should adhere to?
So, given the feeding rates above (the last source I've linked below gives polyp counts for the colonies if you want a more specific number to work with for feeding rates), I'd assume that your gorg will probably basically eat as much food as you're willing to throw at it without crashing your tank.

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Some gorgonians feed on zooplankton, some on phyto, and some possibly on both; with Blueberry Gorgonians, the water is a bit muddy.

To my knowledge, the common name Blueberry Gorgonian is used for both Acanthogorgia spp. (formerly known as Acalycigorgia spp.) and Guaiagorgia anas - I can't find any info on the feeding of G. anas, and I can only find info on the feeding of one Acanthogorgia sp.; A. vegae.

A. vegae feeds on zooplankton (it has been documented feeding on both rotifers and Artemia in lab settings), so I'd definitely recommend offering zooplankton, but I'd also personally suggest offering both zooplankton (preferably enriched/gut-loaded) and phyto just to be safe (I'd probably suggest a phyto blend, as there's no way of knowing at this point which if any phyto would be nutritious to the coral).

Definitely leave the flow on and feed the plankton into the flow so that it blows into/beyond the coral; in some cases with filter feeders, trying to feed them directly by blowing the food onto them actually causes them stress, so it's typically better to feed indirectly by putting the food into the flow and just letting the food flow to them so they can catch it at their leisure.

For A. vegae and a few other gorgonians, they found that it's optimal flow for feeding was ~8cm/second (though it was nearly optimal at 6-10cm/second; 8cm/second meaning that a neutrally buoyant object would float 8 centimeters through the water every second in the flow); the colonies they tested had 63 and 84 branches respectively (so they were relatively large colonies), but they ate ~1,200 to 1,400 Artemia in an hour. As far as I can tell, yours seems closer to ~1/3 to 1/2 the size, but assuming yours eats zooplankton and would have a relatively similar feeding rate, that'd mean that at an optimal feeding rate it would consume ~400 to 600 Artemia in an hour.

So, given the feeding rates above (the last source I've linked below gives polyp counts for the colonies if you want a more specific number to work with for feeding rates), I'd assume that your gorg will probably basically eat as much food as you're willing to throw at it without crashing your tank.

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Will they eat prepared foods at all? I do need to dose phosphates and I have some roids sitting around, or should I begin culturing artemia?

Also, looks more like an anthogorgia or a guaiagorgia to me, not sure what they eat... never dug deep into gorgs and only got this one because it's cheap.
 

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Ah, yeah, depending on the shop I could see those (or a number of other gorgs) being listed as Blueberries too. I can't find anything on their diet either, unfortunately, but they'll either eat zoo or phytoplankton.
Will they eat prepared foods at all?
I don't know - though if you have a powerful enough camera and some appropriately sized foods, I'd love to find out.
or should I begin culturing artemia?
I'd probably suggest culturing some Artemia and/or rotifers, but, again, they may take appropriately sized prepared feeds.
not sure what they eat... never dug deep into gorgs
There's very limited info available on most, and most of what's out there that I've seen deals primarily with chemicals produced by the gorgonians that may be of (typically) biomedical interest.
 
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Ah, yeah, depending on the shop I could see those (or a number of other gorgs) being listed as Blueberries too. I can't find anything on their diet either, unfortunately, but they'll either eat zoo or phytoplankton.

I don't know - though if you have a powerful enough camera and some appropriately sized foods, I'd love to find out.

I'd probably suggest culturing some Artemia and/or rotifers, but, again, they may take appropriately sized prepared feeds.

There's very limited info available on most, and most of what's out there that I've seen deals primarily with chemicals produced by the gorgonians that may be of (typically) biomedical interest.
Is there a specific food radius they would take? I'm not sure if fully mature artemia will be too big for them, but I do have a culture of Tisbe pods that I can feed it with. Also, how often should I feed? I've heard from twice a week to twice a day, and I'm not exactly certain of a gorgonian's metabolism.
 

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polyp counts for the colonies if you want a more specific number to work with for feeding rates
Is there a specific food radius they would take? I'm not sure if fully mature artemia will be too big for them, but I do have a culture of Tisbe pods that I can feed it with.
Found one that discusses both of these quotes (using the same species as above, Acanthogorgia vegae). Adult Artemia (at ~10,000 microns in size) are most likely way too big, yes - the study I found fed 24 hr post hatch Artemia nauplii (which, as far as I can tell would most likely put them at instar three or four), so they'd be ~800-1,000 microns.

Adult Tisbe pods should be right around the 800 micron mark size wise from what I can find, but they're benthic rather than pelagic (so they don't just float around in the water column, and they wouldn't typically be pushed around by the flow), so feeding a gorgonian with them may be somewhat difficult.

"The entire colony stopped feeding after capturing 0.54 ± 0.22 shrimp polyp-1 (n = 30); no feeding response was observed even when the polyps were fully expanded."*
Also, how often should I feed? I've heard from twice a week to twice a day, and I'm not exactly certain of a gorgonian's metabolism.
This part I don't know. I know in the studies I've found that it took the colonies ~2 hours to eat their fill (though they continued very slowly snacking for the full 6 hours the food was offered), but I don't know how often they would really want to feed. I would guess daily would be good, but this is again something that if you have a powerful enough camera, I would love to find out, as you would be able to test and see when the colony starts taking food again in earnest.

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Found one that discusses both of these quotes (using the same species as above, Acanthogorgia vegae). Adult Artemia (at ~10,000 microns in size) are most likely way too big, yes - the study I found fed 24 hr post hatch Artemia nauplii (which, as far as I can tell would most likely put them at instar three or four), so they'd be ~800-1,000 microns.

Adult Tisbe pods should be right around the 800 micron mark size wise from what I can find, but they're benthic rather than pelagic (so they don't just float around in the water column, and they wouldn't typically be pushed around by the flow), so feeding a gorgonian with them may be somewhat difficult.

"The entire colony stopped feeding after capturing 0.54 ± 0.22 shrimp polyp-1 (n = 30); no feeding response was observed even when the polyps were fully expanded."*

This part I don't know. I know in the studies I've found that it took the colonies ~2 hours to eat their fill (though they continued very slowly snacking for the full 6 hours the food was offered), but I don't know how often they would really want to feed. I would guess daily would be good, but this is again something that if you have a powerful enough camera, I would love to find out, as you would be able to test and see when the colony starts taking food again in earnest.

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Interesting. I'm going to try to culture rotifers and phytoplankton on top of 5ml of phyto - feast daily, and maybe attempting oyster feast and reef roids, as people seem to have good luck feeding those to gorgs. It'll probably be beneficial for me to maintain phytoplankton in my water self - sustainably if I can figure out how to do that.

Are amino acids going to do anything to gorgs? I'm skeptical that they'll just decompose in the water and contribute to nitrogenous wastes, but I'm also worried that they're going to be missing out specific micronutrients from eating a limited diet.
 

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Are amino acids going to do anything to gorgs? I'm skeptical that they'll just decompose in the water and contribute to nitrogenous wastes, but I'm also worried that they're going to be missing out specific micronutrients from eating a limited diet.
I haven't looked into amino acids enough to know for sure at this point, so hopefully someone else will more input on that. The micronutrients are a fair concern; if the gorgonians accept prepared food, than that could probably compensate for any lacking micronutrients, but if not, then the aminos or some other additive may be beneficial.
 
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Is hikari frozen plankton in a good size range? I can't find what is actually in there, but it's not too expensive and could probably last some months.
I haven't looked into amino acids enough to know for sure at this point, so hopefully someone else will more input on that. The micronutrients are a fair concern; if the gorgonians accept prepared food, than that could probably compensate for any lacking micronutrients, but if not, then the aminos or some other additive may be beneficial.
 
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Without knowing what's in it, I can't say for sure, but it might be worth a shot.
Found one that discusses both of these quotes (using the same species as above, Acanthogorgia vegae). Adult Artemia (at ~10,000 microns in size) are most likely way too big, yes - the study I found fed 24 hr post hatch Artemia nauplii (which, as far as I can tell would most likely put them at instar three or four), so they'd be ~800-1,000 microns.

Adult Tisbe pods should be right around the 800 micron mark size wise from what I can find, but they're benthic rather than pelagic (so they don't just float around in the water column, and they wouldn't typically be pushed around by the flow), so feeding a gorgonian with them may be somewhat difficult.

"The entire colony stopped feeding after capturing 0.54 ± 0.22 shrimp polyp-1 (n = 30); no feeding response was observed even when the polyps were fully expanded."*

This part I don't know. I know in the studies I've found that it took the colonies ~2 hours to eat their fill (though they continued very slowly snacking for the full 6 hours the food was offered), but I don't know how often they would really want to feed. I would guess daily would be good, but this is again something that if you have a powerful enough camera, I would love to find out, as you would be able to test and see when the colony starts taking food again in earnest.

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I see a lot of people feeding oyster eggs and fish eggs, will they eat boiled chicken yolks minced and dissolved? It's definitely not in most food catagories and I doubt it would work without a mucus net(which I don't think they have), but I haven't found anyone that ever tried it.
 

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I see a lot of people feeding oyster eggs and fish eggs, will they eat boiled chicken yolks minced and dissolved? It's definitely not in most food catagories and I doubt it would work without a mucus net(which I don't think they have), but I haven't found anyone that ever tried it.
It's an interesting thought - as long as the particles are the right size and tough enough that they could capture them with their tentacles (not with a mucus net), then they might go for it.

I know egg is sometimes used with fish/invert feedings, but I don't think I've heard of it being used with corals before.
 

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Your gorgonian appears to be somewhat 'sick' - hopefully it is either the picture. I would not add any more food to your tank.
 
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It's an interesting thought - as long as the particles are the right size and tough enough that they could capture them with their tentacles (not with a mucus net), then they might go for it.

I know egg is sometimes used with fish/invert feedings, but I don't think I've heard of it being used with corals before.
I'll add it to the experiment list.
 

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I feed my gorgs with Reef Nutrition ROE (eggs small enough they can catch) and Benepets (basically reef roids).

I turn off the flow and target feed the Benepets, but the eggs are broadcast fed with the wavemakers on.
 

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