How do I quarantine in Canada?

[LunaSky]

So it would seem like the only way to quarantine in Canada is 1- Observe only, or 2- Copper and Hyposalinity. I recently had the worst thing happen to any reef-keeper... marine velvet. The issue is, in Canada, fish medications are illegal. Luckily, I was able to find copper on Amazon, but nothing else. After some research, it seems Hyposalinity is the next best thing for treating all the hundreds of other issues we might find while reef keeping. But there doesn't seem to be a lot of info on this for us Canadians. And honestly, because I'm so confused on the topic, I've never done an in-depth quarantine before.

So, my questions are... do I do a 3 minute freshwater dip only once before treating with copper? Or do I bring the salinity down to 1.009 and keep it there for thirty days? And if so, do I do the hyposalinity first and THEN the copper, or copper first?

 

[Jekyl]

So it would seem like the only way to quarantine in Canada is 1- Observe only, or 2- Copper and Hyposalinity. I recently had the worst thing happen to any reef-keeper... marine velvet. The issue is, in Canada, fish medications are illegal. Luckily, I was able to find copper on Amazon, but nothing else. After some research, it seems Hyposalinity is the next best thing for treating all the hundreds of other issues we might find while reef keeping. But there doesn't seem to be a lot of info on this for us Canadians. And honestly, because I'm so confused on the topic, I've never done an in-depth quarantine before.

So, my questions are... do I do a 3 minute freshwater dip only once before treating with copper? Or do I bring the salinity down to 1.009 and keep it there for thirty days? And if so, do I do the hyposalinity first and THEN the copper, or copper first?

Here are 2 articles on both subjects. What type of copper do you have?

Current Quarantine Protocol

2023 Quarantine Procedures Jay Hemdal David Scarborough Protozoans (Cryptocaryon/ich, Amyloodinium/velvet) and Metazoan trematodes/flukes are by far the most common parasites found on newly acquired fish. A carefully managed quarantine process can effectively eliminate these parasites before...

www.reef2reef.com

Hyposalinity

Hyposalinity Jay Hemdal 2021 This term refers to a long-term bath treatment for marine fishes in which the salt content of the water is lowered and held below the point that certain parasites can survive. The salt level reached, and the time of the treatment are the two variables...

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[LunaSky]

Here are 2 articles on both subjects. What type of copper do you have?

Current Quarantine Protocol

2023 Quarantine Procedures Jay Hemdal David Scarborough Protozoans (Cryptocaryon/ich, Amyloodinium/velvet) and Metazoan trematodes/flukes are by far the most common parasites found on newly acquired fish. A carefully managed quarantine process can effectively eliminate these parasites before...

www.reef2reef.com

Hyposalinity

Hyposalinity Jay Hemdal 2021 This term refers to a long-term bath treatment for marine fishes in which the salt content of the water is lowered and held below the point that certain parasites can survive. The salt level reached, and the time of the treatment are the two variables...

www.reef2reef.com

Ionic copper... Cuprion from Brightwell.

I can't get some of the medications mentioned in the first article you posted.

 

[Tamberav]

I would do copper first as this treats the worst one (velvet) while hypo does not.

I’d probably just order Api general cure and see if it got delivered *eyes* for flukes rather then do hypo but you could do hypo for those.

You could also try hybrid tank transfer method which uses peroxide.

 

[LunaSky]

I would do copper first as this treats the worst one (velvet) while hypo does not.

I’d probably just order Api general cure and see if it got delivered *eyes* for flukes rather then do hypo but you could do hypo for those.

You could also try hybrid tank transfer method which uses peroxide.

Can't get general cure here. Literally can't get anything here other than freshwater ich treatments...

 

[vetteguy53081]

So it would seem like the only way to quarantine in Canada is 1- Observe only, or 2- Copper and Hyposalinity. I recently had the worst thing happen to any reef-keeper... marine velvet. The issue is, in Canada, fish medications are illegal. Luckily, I was able to find copper on Amazon, but nothing else. After some research, it seems Hyposalinity is the next best thing for treating all the hundreds of other issues we might find while reef keeping. But there doesn't seem to be a lot of info on this for us Canadians. And honestly, because I'm so confused on the topic, I've never done an in-depth quarantine before.

So, my questions are... do I do a 3 minute freshwater dip only once before treating with copper? Or do I bring the salinity down to 1.009 and keep it there for thirty days? And if so, do I do the hyposalinity first and THEN the copper, or copper first?

Canada is tough. You should have two locations for Pets drug Mart which has copper based meds as well as In ontario. . Canada fish vet
Formaldehyde is another option as is Hypo salinity

 

[sck90]

So it would seem like the only way to quarantine in Canada is 1- Observe only, or 2- Copper and Hyposalinity. I recently had the worst thing happen to any reef-keeper... marine velvet. The issue is, in Canada, fish medications are illegal. Luckily, I was able to find copper on Amazon, but nothing else. After some research, it seems Hyposalinity is the next best thing for treating all the hundreds of other issues we might find while reef keeping. But there doesn't seem to be a lot of info on this for us Canadians. And honestly, because I'm so confused on the topic, I've never done an in-depth quarantine before.

So, my questions are... do I do a 3 minute freshwater dip only once before treating with copper? Or do I bring the salinity down to 1.009 and keep it there for thirty days? And if so, do I do the hyposalinity first and THEN the copper, or copper first?

I am in Canada too so I was in exactly the same boat. There are still several options :

1) copper power is often available on Amazon.ca
2) so is Fritz Paracleanse, which contains praziquantel (same ingredients as api general cure)
3) I also bought some pure praziquantel on amazon (https://a.co/d/9Nv6cO1)
4) hypo works really well for flukes (1.012) and ich (1.009), but does nothing for velvet

 

[Tamberav]

Can't get general cure here. Literally can't get anything here other than freshwater ich treatments...

 

[SteveMM62Reef]

Go talk to your local Veterinarians. Mine will send the Script for the Antibiotics to the CVS. They are no longer available in the USA, kind of knew this was going to happen, with people taking Horse Dewormer.

 

[Eric R.]

I'm going to repeat @Tamberav's recommendation that you go google Hybrid Tank Transfer Method, or HTTM. If you have access to fresh saltwater and ordinary strength over-the-counter hydrogen peroxide, you have all that you need to QT for velvet (and you don't need to go messing with formalin).

HTTM is what I use for QT, it works fine, just be sure to follow the instructions, and see if you can find the list that shows what species are more likely to be sensitive.

 

[Jekyl]

Go talk to your local Veterinarians. Mine will send the Script for the Antibiotics to the CVS. They are no longer available in the USA, kind of knew this was going to happen, with people taking Horse Dewormer.

You mean the medicine that won the Nobel prize?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Ionic copper... Cuprion from Brightwell.

I can't get some of the medications mentioned in the first article you posted.

ionic copper is really tricky to use and can cause adverse reactions in some species. I think brightwell even acknowledges that in their advertising. Seems to me if you can get Cuprion, you should be able to get coppersafe.

Hyposalinity works for ich and flukes, but not velvet. Velvet is a much rarer disease though.

 

[LunaSky]

Okay! I think I have a plan of attack. I am aware hypo doesn't kill velvet. That's what the copper is for. I'll order the copper power from Amazon. Thank you everyone for your help.