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Fish treatment variations by species and medication

Not all fish species are able to be treated with generally used medications. There are some sensitivity issues between species that must be managed. However, sensitivity to a drug can also be seen in different dosages, how the drug is applied and other factors. Additionally, many of these drug sensitivities are based on personal opinion, which is in turn based on possibly uncontrolled variables. The following list are some of the better known instances of drug sensitivity in fishes. These are listed by fish species, but also drug type:


Angelfish: Pygmy angelfish are sensitive to ionic copper. If used on these species, it must be ramped up slowly, over 72 hours. A better choice would be amine-chelated copper products like Coppersafe or Copper Power.

Chloroquine phosphate: This drug will usually inhibit nitrifying bacteria, so ammonia levels must be monitored during treatment. Some fish have shown sensitivity to doses above 12 ppm (lionfish and wrasses)

Eels: Most species of eel are sensitive to copper medication. The common issue is that copper causes them to temporarily stop eating. With an otherwise healthy eel, this is not an issue as eels can tolerate long fasts. However, if the eel is skinny to begin with, a long fast could prove fatal.

Flashlight fish: Do not expose flashlight fish to fenbendazole, antibiotics or copper.

Formalin: Formalin is toxic to people and must be used with care. Additionally, it is a reducing agent, it removes oxygen from the water and may disrupt some chemical bonds, such as chelated copper products. Formalin is based on time versus temperature. For tropical marine fish, do NOT use as a dip higher than 167 ppm for one hour. Some web sites give the dose at 250 ppm, but that is an error, that dose is only used for cold water fishes.

Hydrogen peroxide: Shrimp are extremely sensitive to even low doses of oxidants, including hydrogen peroxide.

Larval fish, any species: There is an issue with small fish having a higher surface to volume ratio. In theory, smaller fish are therefore more sensitive to any medications dosed in the water.

Lionfish: This group of fish is sensitive to ionic copper (not amine-chelated copper) as well as higher doses of chloroquine.

Mandarin dragonets: Amine-chelated copper or hyposalinity treatments are tolerated by these fish, however, holding these in a bare quarantine tank is the core issue. Especially with wild caught mandarins, they just do not survive in bare tanks, without live food to graze on.

Panacur (Fenbendazole): Do not use it as a bath on bottom-dwelling fishes; darters, catfish, etc. Do not use on flashlight fish or pencil fish. Do not use it with any invertebrates, as there are reports of toxicity seen in these animals. Additional species may be found to react poorly to this medication.

Sharks and rays: All copper products should be avoided with these fish. Additionally, they do not tolerate hyposalinity.

Seahorse, pipefish: Like mandarins, these fish do not do well in standard bare quarantine systems due to their need to graze on small food items. They are also reported not to handle copper well.

Trichlorfon (Dylox or Metrifonate): These products are dangerous for aquarium use; toxic to the aquarist and causing sensitivity reactions in many species of fish. Other treatments need to be considered first.

Wrasse: This group of fish is frequently associated with a sensitivity to praziquantel. However, it is not clear if the fish are sensitive to the drug itself, or to the low dissolved oxygen levels associated with it being used with certain solvents like glycol, alcohol or DMSO. Wrasse are also sensitive to higher doses of chloroquine.

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Hey Jay, so for the more sensitive fish like Flashlight Fish and Sharks/Rays, how would you recommend treating these, particularly against the more common diseases like ich, velvet, flukes or other parasites?

(I would assume hyposalinity could be used for the flashlight fish to treat ich, but I'm not sure how well their bacterial symbionts would handle hypo.)
 

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Do you find wrasse sensitive to hyposalinity? Or half salinity?

I do not find wrasse sensitive to prazi unless overdosed 3x but since prazi is broken down by bacteria and I like to move them into established observation tanks, I have been thinking about treating them for flukes with half salinity at 1.012 instead.

I have treated fish with many methods but never hypo.
 
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Do you find wrasse sensitive to hyposalinity? Or half salinity?

I do not find wrasse sensitive to prazi unless overdosed 3x but since prazi is broken down by bacteria and I like to move them into established observation tanks, I have been thinking about treating them for flukes with half salinity at 1.012 instead.

I have treated fish with many methods but never hypo.
I’ve never seen definitive issues with wrasses and hyposalinity, but there is always some risk for any fish at full hypo (a specific gravity of 1.009).
 
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Hey Jay, so for the more sensitive fish like Flashlight Fish and Sharks/Rays, how would you recommend treating these, particularly against the more common diseases like ich, velvet, flukes or other parasites?

(I would assume hyposalinity could be used for the flashlight fish to treat ich, but I'm not sure how well their bacterial symbionts would handle hypo.)
Formalin works for sharks, rays and flashlight fish….but it is tricky to use correctly, and of course is toxic to people.
 

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I’ve never seen definitive issues with wrasses and hyposalinity, but there is always some risk for any fish at full hypo (a specific gravity of 1.009).

Thanks, in my case, I am just going to 1.012 for flukes and not ich so that may be better tolerated. They were the only fish I was sort of worried about as basslets and butterflys seem to handle lower salinity well.

I bought a pH probe to monitor and plan to use baked baking soda on a doser if pH drops.
 
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Do you find wrasse sensitive to hyposalinity? Or half salinity?

I do not find wrasse sensitive to prazi unless overdosed 3x but since prazi is broken down by bacteria and I like to move them into established observation tanks, I have been thinking about treating them for flukes with half salinity at 1.012 instead.

I have treated fish with many methods but never hypo.
I’ve never seen definitive issues with wrasses and hyposalinity, but there is always some risk for any fish at full hypo (a specific gravity of 1.009).
So does 1.012 work for flukes and not marine ick? Im planning on doing a hyposalinty for flukes but i would rather keep the salinity higher at 1.012 if i can.
 

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So does 1.012 work for flukes and not marine ick? Im planning on doing a hyposalinty for flukes but i would rather keep the salinity higher at 1.012 if i can.

correct, 1.012 for flukes only and 1.009 for ich. Make sure your salinity meter is calibrated. I plan to pick up a Tropic Marine Hydrometer and graduated cylinder to double check the refractometer and make sure I am at 1.012.

I have had way to many annoyances with prazipro being broken down unless I am using new or almost new tanks that are pretty sterile. I even dose on days 1, 5, 7, 9 and still had them get through.
 
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correct, 1.012 for flukes only and 1.009 for ich. Make sure your salinity meter is calibrated. I plan to pick up a Tropic Marine Hydrometer and graduated cylinder to double check the refractometer and make sure I am at 1.012.
Where can you get that hydrometer?
 

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Fish treatment variations by species and medication

Not all fish species are able to be treated with generally used medications. There are some sensitivity issues between species that must be managed. However, sensitivity to a drug can also be seen in different dosages, how the drug is applied and other factors. Additionally, many of these drug sensitivities are based on personal opinion, which is in turn based on possibly uncontrolled variables. The following list are some of the better known instances of drug sensitivity in fishes. These are listed by fish species, but also drug type:


Angelfish: Pygmy angelfish are sensitive to ionic copper. If used on these species, it must be ramped up slowly, over 72 hours. A better choice would be amine-chelated copper products like Coppersafe or Copper Power.

Chloroquine phosphate: This drug will usually inhibit nitrifying bacteria, so ammonia levels must be monitored during treatment. Some fish have shown sensitivity to doses above 12 ppm (lionfish and wrasses)

Eels: Most species of eel are sensitive to copper medication. The common issue is that copper causes them to temporarily stop eating. With an otherwise healthy eel, this is not an issue as eels can tolerate long fasts. However, if the eel is skinny to begin with, a long fast could prove fatal.

Flashlight fish: Do not expose flashlight fish to fenbendazole, antibiotics or copper.

Formalin: Formalin is toxic to people and must be used with care. Additionally, it is a reducing agent, it removes oxygen from the water and may disrupt some chemical bonds, such as chelated copper products. Formalin is based on time versus temperature. For tropical marine fish, do NOT use as a dip higher than 167 ppm for one hour. Some web sites give the dose at 250 ppm, but that is an error, that dose is only used for cold water fishes.

Hydrogen peroxide: Shrimp are extremely sensitive to even low doses of oxidants, including hydrogen peroxide.

Larval fish, any species: There is an issue with small fish having a higher surface to volume ratio. In theory, smaller fish are therefore more sensitive to any medications dosed in the water.

Lionfish: This group of fish is sensitive to ionic copper (not amine-chelated copper) as well as higher doses of chloroquine.

Mandarin dragonets: Amine-chelated copper or hyposalinity treatments are tolerated by these fish, however, holding these in a bare quarantine tank is the core issue. Especially with wild caught mandarins, they just do not survive in bare tanks, without live food to grave on.

Panacur (Fenbendazole): Do not use it as a bath on bottom-dwelling fishes; darters, catfish, etc. Do not use on flashlight fish or pencil fish. Do not use it with any invertebrates, as there are reports of toxicity seen in these animals. Additional species may be found to react poorly to this medication.

Sharks and rays: All copper products should be avoided with these fish. Additionally, they do not tolerate hyposalinity.

Seahorse, pipefish: Like mandarins, these fish do not do well in standard bare quarantine systems due to their need to grave on small food items. They are also reported not to handle copper well.

Trichlorfon (Dylox or Metrifonate): These products are dangerous for aquarium use; toxic to the aquarist and causing sensitivity reactions in many species of fish. Other treatments need to be considered first.

Wrasse: This group of fish is frequently associated with a sensitivity to praziquantel. However, it is not clear if the fish are sensitive to the drug itself, or to the low dissolved oxygen levels associated with it being used with certain solvents like glycol, alcohol or DMSO. Wrasse are also sensitive to higher doses of chloroquine.
Thank you for this write up sir!
 
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So does 1.012 work for flukes and not marine ick? Im planning on doing a hyposalinty for flukes but i would rather keep the salinity higher at 1.012 if i can.
Correct - flukes die out at 1.012, but 1.009 is required for ich.
 

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Fish treatment variations by species and medication

Not all fish species are able to be treated with generally used medications. There are some sensitivity issues between species that must be managed. However, sensitivity to a drug can also be seen in different dosages, how the drug is applied and other factors. Additionally, many of these drug sensitivities are based on personal opinion, which is in turn based on possibly uncontrolled variables. The following list are some of the better known instances of drug sensitivity in fishes. These are listed by fish species, but also drug type:


Angelfish: Pygmy angelfish are sensitive to ionic copper. If used on these species, it must be ramped up slowly, over 72 hours. A better choice would be amine-chelated copper products like Coppersafe or Copper Power.

Chloroquine phosphate: This drug will usually inhibit nitrifying bacteria, so ammonia levels must be monitored during treatment. Some fish have shown sensitivity to doses above 12 ppm (lionfish and wrasses)

Eels: Most species of eel are sensitive to copper medication. The common issue is that copper causes them to temporarily stop eating. With an otherwise healthy eel, this is not an issue as eels can tolerate long fasts. However, if the eel is skinny to begin with, a long fast could prove fatal.

Flashlight fish: Do not expose flashlight fish to fenbendazole, antibiotics or copper.

Formalin: Formalin is toxic to people and must be used with care. Additionally, it is a reducing agent, it removes oxygen from the water and may disrupt some chemical bonds, such as chelated copper products. Formalin is based on time versus temperature. For tropical marine fish, do NOT use as a dip higher than 167 ppm for one hour. Some web sites give the dose at 250 ppm, but that is an error, that dose is only used for cold water fishes.

Hydrogen peroxide: Shrimp are extremely sensitive to even low doses of oxidants, including hydrogen peroxide.

Larval fish, any species: There is an issue with small fish having a higher surface to volume ratio. In theory, smaller fish are therefore more sensitive to any medications dosed in the water.

Lionfish: This group of fish is sensitive to ionic copper (not amine-chelated copper) as well as higher doses of chloroquine.

Mandarin dragonets: Amine-chelated copper or hyposalinity treatments are tolerated by these fish, however, holding these in a bare quarantine tank is the core issue. Especially with wild caught mandarins, they just do not survive in bare tanks, without live food to grave on.

Panacur (Fenbendazole): Do not use it as a bath on bottom-dwelling fishes; darters, catfish, etc. Do not use on flashlight fish or pencil fish. Do not use it with any invertebrates, as there are reports of toxicity seen in these animals. Additional species may be found to react poorly to this medication.

Sharks and rays: All copper products should be avoided with these fish. Additionally, they do not tolerate hyposalinity.

Seahorse, pipefish: Like mandarins, these fish do not do well in standard bare quarantine systems due to their need to grave on small food items. They are also reported not to handle copper well.

Trichlorfon (Dylox or Metrifonate): These products are dangerous for aquarium use; toxic to the aquarist and causing sensitivity reactions in many species of fish. Other treatments need to be considered first.

Wrasse: This group of fish is frequently associated with a sensitivity to praziquantel. However, it is not clear if the fish are sensitive to the drug itself, or to the low dissolved oxygen levels associated with it being used with certain solvents like glycol, alcohol or DMSO. Wrasse are also sensitive to higher doses of chloroquine.
Jay, I just bought a Christmas wrasse. Am I correct in that I can do the normal 30 day treatment with Copper Power, followed by two PraziPro treatments? Thank you for all this info. I learn a lot from what you write.
 
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Jay, I just bought a Christmas wrasse. Am I correct in that I can do the normal 30 day treatment with Copper Power, followed by two PraziPro treatments? Thank you for all this info. I learn a lot from what you write.

Yes - assuming the wrasse is eating and in good shape, that would be the protocol I would follow.
 

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Yes - assuming the wrasse is eating and in good shape, that would be the protocol I would follow.
Yes he’s eating well and acting fine, interacting with tank mate good. I’ll start the copper power after he’s been in the QT for a week. Thank you Jay.
 
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Yes he’s eating well and acting fine, interacting with tank mate good. I’ll start the copper power after he’s been in the QT for a week. Thank you Jay.
In case you haven't seen it, here is our standard quarantine protocol:

 

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