Everything I know in case I go Senile (from 2014)

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I posted this someplace 5 years ago and figured I have nothing to say today except build things in my Man Cave so I am Re-Posting it again. If it contains anything not PC, irritating, racist, not ethical, unrealistic, argumentative, political, religious or anything else that is considered irritating to any living creature, please delete it fast.
These are only my opinions and in no way does Nancy Pelosi agree with them. I didn't ask her so maybe she does.

From 2014:

I have theories about just about everything and unfortunately, most of them are probably to radical, simple, inane, old school, or complicated for many people to understand, comprehend, agree with or even bother to read, so if you are one of "Those" people, don't read any further, just go and watch TV, I think there is a re run of the Opera show where she gives away Cadillac's to homeless cats.



Now I am far from the God of fish tanks, corals (SPS, LPS, leathers, suede's, velour's or velvet)



I am however the God of UG filters and maybe bald heads which I have always aspired to be famous for. In my many years of reading, diving and learning I have noticed a few things. Much, or most of what we do or want to do with regard to this hobby is either wrong, almost wrong or even dangerous, but what we can all agree on is that it is expensive. I will get to that as I feel it is a very cheap hobby. I just may be rich and this money is just a drop in the bucket or else I am poor, or to cheap to spend anything so I can feed my family. The truth is that I am neither, I am like most of us, in the middle, in the "fusion zone" as I like to refer to it as. I would also like to say imperically that I do not have the nicest tank on here, probably far from it, but it ain't to bad either



I am getting old (er) and in a few years I am sure I will start forgetting many of the things I learned through trial and error, the things I picked up in the 50s 60s and 70s that is all but forgotten about now as parchment paper degrades over time. I am fortunately still sharp as a tack, OK maybe a slightly duller tack, but a tack none the less, OK a finishing nail, not one of those aluminum Home Depot finishing nails, a good steel one from an American hardware store, a store that was started in the 40s after the big one.



Much of the things I do to my tank I can not print as I am sure I would be put away. Things like using Clorox in NSW to eliminate red tide or heating the water to kill paracites without affecting the parameters. Curing PopEye in a few seconds with a hypodermic needle or cleaning a fish of ich, flukes or flounders in a day. I won't even mention putting in copper pennies before they invented liquid copper. These are things I have posted in the past with regret because of the flood of hate mail. OK, maybe not a flood, one or two E mails, but to me that is a deluge. As I said in the beginning, some of you should be watching Opera and not reading this, I think she is just about to give away one of those cadillac's.



I mentioned a few times that I have no need for a quarantine, or hospital tank, Whoooa, I was bombarded after that. The Idea that I let all my fish become sick, infected with all sorts of things such as crypocaryn, velvet, black ich, jaundice, hemorrhoids or psorisis. I usually say that if you don't have my tank, maybe you should quarantine. But of course I can't leave that alone although I do try. I think that in "some" instances, paracites are good. OK I said it. Now will you please stop reading as I am only wrighting this now because I am bored.



It seems to me, and I also posted this numerous times, that so many people, maybe even the majority of people have problems with things like diseases (or those sweat stains in your armpits) You can use things like Priazo, copper, KicK Ick, (Oh God) or any number of things. I myself am 65 years old and the only thing I take is fish oil. I also give it to my fish but that is not what this is about. Ok, it is a little about that, but only a little. Fish in the sea probably never get sick. Why is that? No it is not that they have free access to Priazo from Obamacare. They also don't get eaten right away if they get a few paracites. They don't get sick because of their immune system. Their immune system works better than ours does. It makes sence as they have been around longer than us and their immune system has to work in the water. The water that they live in contains everything that ever was, including dinosaur poop, Wash water from Columbus underware, and Amelia Airheart. No, Literally, Amelia Airheart. Our piddly immune system only has to protect us from airborn stuff like excess gas from those chili houses in Texas and maybe some simple viruses. Diseases can get around much easier in water than in air so a fish immune system has evolved for that task. In the sea, fish eat live, "whole" food such as fry, fish eggs, shrimp, seaweed or Happy Meals. Most fish don't spit out the guts, heads, scales, fish hooks or bones. In many tanks they have to do with pellets, flakes dried nori, cardboard, dried ants or some frozen concoction. (in the 50s tropical fish food was dried ants, no, really) Many of the frozen foods are very good but they are not live food which is vastly different. Flakes and pellets have a purpose, I use them to feed my worms, but it is live, or at least frozen "whole" food (with the guts) that will keep a fishes immune system up to where it can fight off things including paracites and sea gulls. You can tell if this is working if the fish is spawning or making spawning attempts to spawn as only fish in excellent health will spawn. I personally have never seen a fish that was spawning afflicted with any disease but some people tell me that is not true. I have a word I like to call those people, and that word is "wrong". OK maybe one fish got sick while it was spawning, he don't count. But anyway, this post was not supposed to be about immune systems because I have posted that to death and if you ever had a fish get sick with any disease, it is because it's immune system did not protect it and unfortunately, that is our fault, not the fish, the dealer or the old lady on the corner who collects tin cans and cats.



Thats enough about food and immune systems. As I said, I am posting this because I know, in time I will forget, and then, even if no one else reads this (and I am quite certain only me and the night watchman at the OTB office will see it) I may again come across it in 10 or 15 years in my nursing home, and in my stupor, I may remember some of it and hopefully someone will at least get me a goldfish to occupy my time. A goldfish and maybe a picture of a Supermodel.



I see people use all sorts of chemicals to control things that our bacteria are supposed to do for us for free. Things like Rowaphos, Rowanda, Rotweilder or whatever it is called. I am not sure why you would need it but I would imagine if you need those silly Bio-pellets in a reactor you would also need that. I never used any of it so I am sure I am doing something wrong. I guess my bacteria don't mind doing what they are paid to do. Of course i also collect bacteria as I feel that if you don't do that (and I realize one or two people don't live near the sea) the only bacteria in your tank is that stuff in your dealer's tank and all he has is the stuff from his wholesaler and all he has is the stuff in the shipping water that is mixed with bilge water from some canoe that also has some of columbus wash water and possably ear wax from Jimmy Hoffa. I hear all the time that people get the horrors because their nitrate measured 12 or 15. I don't think my nitrate was ever that low, not that I have a test kit but I do get it tested just so I can write these rediculous threads. My nitrate is now about 40, it could be 50 but even if it was 680, I really don't care because if it was to high, the corals would let me know right away. I feel the same about phosphate, anthrax and calcium. but I do add calcium in the form of driveway ice melter at a cost of about $10.00 a year so I don't want to waste it. I also use baking soda for alk, I think that costs about 99cents if I get it on sale and once a year or so I add some Epsom Salts after I soak my feet in it. Maybe that also adds beneficial bacteria, I can't be sure. (that expensive calcium you buy is driveway ice melter and baking soda)



Then we have nusience algae. It grows on every healthy reef and it is not a nusience there, but in our tanks it sometimes is. I don't want it growing on my corals although in the past my tank has looked like a produce stand. I still have a slight amount but just as much as I want. The first thing people ask when they hear about an algae problem is "what are your parameters?" Then they all say "change the water" Does that ever work? No, but people still change massive amounts of water every day in the hope of eliminating a natural substance that has nothing to do with changing water but what do I know? Stores have to make money also so changing water is good. It won't do anything for algae growth except maybe make it grow faster but we keep doing it for lack of a better "cure". If you take RO/DI water and put it in the sun, and an ant dies in it from exhaustion after doing the macarana, it will grow algae. Try it. New tanks with all brand new water grow the most algae, I wonder why? Maybe algae can grow with just a tiny smidgeon of nutrients, but wait a minute, there is also algae in the tissues in the coral so if we eliminate all the nutrients (like that was even possable) we may also kill the corals. OMG, it is an unfixable connundrum, like a paradox. I love paradoxes. I really don't know why algae sometimes grows and sometimes it doesn't but you know something? No one else knows either. We think we know, like we know all about paracites, Obamacare and global warming, but we don't. Some day we will know everything and I hope that day never comes but for now we don't. I bet the Neanderthals thought they knew everything until they were taken over by Liberals. If you have a tank long enough you will see cycles of all sorts of different, colorful and annoying algae's. Most tanks don't have a long enough lifespan to notice these things but I do. Every few years my tank would get an outbreak of something even if I didn't change anything. I think the next outbreak may be Brocclirabe, onions or tent catterpillars. I stopped those cycles a few years ago by installing an algae trough but an algae filter would do the same thing. Now I really don't care what causes nusience algae as it will only grow where I want it to grow and I realize I can't completely stop it as that would be unhealthy. After all it grows everywhere and if it didn't what are all those urchins, slugs, snails, rabbitfish, chitens, sea hares and tangs eating?



If we really knew what caused algae, ich or cyano don't you think we would have eliminated it 43 years ago when the salt water hobby started? I think it was on a Tuesday about 1:00-1:30 in the afternoon. I mean, Really! But alas. We will still continue to change massive amounts of water, increase circulation, cultivate a clean up crew, buy newer light bulbs, vacuum our substraits, add magnesium and look at pictures of Supermodels, but we will also still have hair algae, cyano and ich. I can not eliminate any of those things but I have found a natural way to allow them to live side by side in my tank, with my healthy, spawning fish and corals while at the same time changing a modest amount of water and not adding one cent of manufactured chemicals "and" having fish living happily for their natural lifespan that is sometimes older than Myley Cyrus. Actually all of my fish are older than her but that isn't saying much.



I said before that paracites "may" be healthy for our fish. Of course the fish won't think so, so don't ask them. But I remember after I got drafted and was going to Viet Nam, they inoculated me with everything you could imagine. 6 shots at a time in each arm. Plague, jungle fever, malaria, diptheria, cholera, parot fever, jaundice and Play Doh. I didn't get any of those things. Those vaccines were made out of weak or dead disease organisms. We can't get weak or dead paracites but live healthy paracites work even better. Yes, they may kill our fish, but if they don't, our fish will become immune from those paracites. Why, you ask. I have no freekin Idea. What do I look like? A researcher? No, i am an electrician but a very good one. I also have been keeping fish for 60 years so if you find someone who has been keeping fish longer than that, don't ask him anything as he is probably senile and will just snot and drool on you. I do remember that the Vietnamese people didn't get malaria, but I had to take a pill every day. When I got home my wife and I went to mexico. Big mistake. I never get sick but in Mexico, both me and her ended up in the hospital. Do you who who else was in that hospital with Montizuma"s revenge? Americans thats who, not Mexicans because their immune system was used to paracites in the water. That is why i don't have to have a quarantine tank. I know, all 4 of the people reading this are saying that my tank is a time bomb and will crash any time now. Maybe it will, but it has had one heck of a run.



I run a reverse UG filter, virtually unknown by anyone under 57 years old. People think it is old school. Well it is not. Regular UG filters are old school but not reverse UG filters. DSBs are much older (I think). Speaking of old school, the school I went to was heated by coal. There was this old guy (he was probably 30) who used to shovel coal to heat the school. And when the teacher would send us to empty the waste paper basket, we would go down to the basement and give it to that guy who would throw it into the furnace. But I digress.



If I have any more ideas, I will post them. But in the meantime, if you have any colorful, connotations, cures, quatations or comments, I would be extreamly happy to hear them.



I just came back from my boat and had a few Harvey Wallbangers and Long Island Ice teas so I will most likely forget what I wrote in a few minutes. But of course, that could be senility.
 

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Paul I have read many of your posts/articles and find your experiences fascinating. The fact so many of your fish spawn is a great indicator on their age and health. I QT all my fish and it is a tremendous amount work. In the late 90s early 2000s I wasn't QT anything, and it was a disaster. I love the idea of building the fishes immunity, but don't know how to do it without losses. If we had access to attenuated parasites then we could inoculate them like you were inoculated before Vietnam. Not sure if you are aware, but much of cancer research is also going toward immunotherapy. We just have to find a way to do it in a predictable and controlled way, and I don't feel healthy parasites are a great option.

Your articles on diverse diet I feel is important for general fish health. I hardly feed any prepackaged fish food, but I'm also cheap and human gade seafood is cheaper :)
 
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Halal Hotdog, as I am sure you know, it is much more complicated than throwing fish in your tank. But IMO immune fish are much better than fish living on the edge and having to use chemicals to cure fish, cyano, algae or anything else. I myself used to use chemicals like everyone else because it was easier, thought of as a quick fix and most of all, I didn't know any better. Now I do, or at least I think I do. But I am not the God of fish so I could be completely wrong and just lucky.
 
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I just came back from my boat and had a few Harvey Wallbangers

I'm sure the search count on the various engines saw an uptick tonight with everyone wondering what they are.

Personally one of my favorite drinks and I'm always pleasantly surprised with the young lad or lass bartender knows how to make them properly without using the Oracle to tell them how.
 

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I quit reading about half way thru because I have a limited attention span, but like I always tell my wife, if you lick the toilet flusher at Walmart once a year you'll never get sick, she threatens divorce regularly, but hear we are.
 

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Great read Paul, very enjoyable. I too had all the shots and cholera pills etc when I joined to avoid being drafted. I was stationed on the front lines in Scotland keeping it free of VC and Jane Fonda. Thanks for the common sense and humor. It’s sort of like reading what Mark Twain would have written about reef keeping.
 

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I use my baking soda to relieve indigestion after eating those hot chicken wings! I asked my wife if I could hang some pictures of supermodels in my fish room. She asked me if I wanted to “sleep with the fishes”! The look she had in her eyes made me squirm just a little bit. She did relent and let me hang some beefcake from a group of 80 year olds though. My eyes , my poor eyes!!
 
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I quit reading about half way thru because I have a limited attention span, but like I always tell my wife, if you lick the toilet flusher at Walmart once a year you'll never get sick, she threatens divorce regularly, but hear we are.

Scotty I also have a limited attention span and quit reading after "Toilet Flusher" :confused:



I use my baking soda to relieve indigestion after eating those hot chicken wings! I asked my wife if I could hang some pictures of supermodels in my fish room. She asked me if I wanted to “sleep with the fishes”! The look she had in her eyes made me squirm just a little bit. She did relent and let me hang some beefcake from a group of 80 year olds though. My eyes , my poor eyes!!

I also use baking soda as it is the best, cheapest thing for acid in your stomach or anywhere else you would use acid like to clean bricks.
As for those pictures, my wife actually bought them for me and wants to get me more. I have many pictures someplace of girls that I either sketched, painted or air brushed and my wife loves them. That was years ago when I drew better. There is no jealousy in my house and she even points out good looking girls on the street and says to me "You like that one". I do the same for her. :)
I have never cheated on her and never will, but I always "look" at pretty girls as I am a normal man and all normal men do that weather they tell their wives or not. :rolleyes:

It is easy to be very happily married for 45 years we respect each others feelings and to me, almost everything is funny. :D
We also don't have to tell each other if we want to buy something. I can buy fish or Man cave stuff and spend hundreds of dollars and she does the same. Of course years ago when I started as an electrician apprentice and I was bringing home $52.00 a week we couldn't rub two nickels together to make a dime and I used to stand in Penn Station in Manhattan waiting for someone to throw out a news paper so I could read it. (But side jobs carried us over)

As I said many times she has MS and at 2:10 this morning she woke me up by yelling my name, softly. She was in the bathroom in the dark and she accidently broke this bottle of Lavender smelling oil that has these sticks coming out of it. Her robe must have hit it. It's a girly smelly thing. Oil all over the place so I had to go and get her so she didn't fall walking over it. Then I cleaned the oil. Not easy on a brand new tile floor. :cool:

Unfortunately MS doesn't get better and there is no cure. She is not doing well with it and is very depressed so i am doing everything I can to cheer her up. She used to teach high impact aerobics and now can barely walk. She walks with a cane but I hold her arm.
If I ever have to I would carry her as she is my best friend and Soul Mate.
 
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Unfortunately MS doesn't get better and there is no cure. She is not doing well with it and is very depressed so i am doing everything I can to cheer her up. She used to teach high impact aerobics and now can barely walk. She walks with a cane but I hold her arm.
If I ever have to I would carry her as she is my best friend and Soul Mate.

Paul, that is heartbreaking.. we have been battling MS for over 15 years with my daughter. She was a vibrant young lady in her teens when she was diagnosed and now in her 30’s she has degraded to the point I frequently have to carry her like a baby. Fortunately she’s a fighter and for the most part has maintained a positive attitude but still occasionally needs meds for depression. If your wife would like to talk with someone in the same boat or just exchange info on treatments and resources for MS I can give you her email.

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No way Hoffa's earwax got into your tank. He's in one of the highways around here. Supposedly in 94 around the 696 area. Personally I think he went through a incinerator.

And don't forget the real reason you've had all the success over the years, alien dna in the water.

The best advice I can give for a successful tank is to buy water from asia like I do. I figure if their kids are smarter than ours, it must be something in the water.

On a side note, that MS is a nasty case. Your one heck of a man actually sticking with and taking care of your wife, thats true love. Many won't even stick around for a kid now a days.
 
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Charles I am also so sorry for your Daughter. It is heartbreaking and very hard for the caregivers. My wife gets more depressed talking to other people with the same affliction but thanks anyway.

Jay. I am sure it is the Alien DNA. I am also not sure why so many people have so many problems, I still can't figure that out. I must be doing something wrong. :rolleyes:
 
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I'm sure the search count on the various engines saw an uptick tonight with everyone wondering what they are.

Personally one of my favorite drinks and I'm always pleasantly surprised with the young lad or lass bartender knows how to make them properly without using the Oracle to tell them how.

I met a girl in Sydney Australia when I was on R&R from Nam who showed them to me. I asked her what she would like to drink and she said a Harvey Wallbanger. I figured i would go to the bar and everyone would laugh at me. But of course there is such a drink and I have them all the time. They are basically a screwdriver with some Galliano in them. Great drink.
 
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I met a girl in Sydney Australia when I was on R&R from Nam who showed them to me. I asked her what she would like to drink and she said a Harvey Wallbanger. I figured i would go to the bar and everyone would laugh at me. But of course there is such a drink and I have them all the time. They are basically a screwdriver with some Galliano in them. Great drink.

It is. There is another drink with Galliano in it that my Uncle shared with me which is the Golden Cadillac. I do not know how true it is but it originated at a place called Poor Red's up in El Dorado, Ca. I don't know how or why - maybe that is all they had behind the bar at the time but it is a mixture of Galliano, white crème de cacao, and cream. Poor Red's was a great little hole in the wall restaurant and bar. Always full house and bought and used a metric ton of Galliano.

Poor Red too because I think they ran into some trouble over the years and it may be closed down. Anyway - both drinks remind me of a more pleasant time and bring back memories of my Aunts and Uncles. Good memories.
 

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I soooo agree with you. Last year I had a velvet outbreak that killed all but four of my fish. I didn’t (and still don’t) have a QT. Anyway, I couldn’t have caught all the fish even if I had wanted to. They were either too quick, too good at hiding, or dead before I tried. The fish that survived were a Six line Wrasse, a Firefish, Watchman Goby, and a chromis. These four fish are still thriving. I have never run a fallow tank. There is disease in my tank. I know this because occasionally, I introduce something that comes down with ick (or some other ailment). I let them be. They will survive or not. 98% of them have survived. The four original survivors have never shown any sign of distress. Immunity (or resistance) is what has allowed all of creation to survive. Unless a critter is hurt, eaten, or we manage to kill it off one way or another, they live a long healthy life without our intervention. I like to buy all those gadgets. I have a large collection of them in the closet. I have algae. It shows up on a rock here or there, as a film on the glass, or as a purple encrusting mass all over everything. It provides food for lots of things that live in my tank. I will not likely ever have a pristine, clear as a bell glass, spotless sand, type of tank. But then, I’m not sure I want one. I want my little piece of reef to be a true microcosm of what’s in our oceans (minus pollution, etc). Thanks @Paul B for being a warrior for what I like in my tank. It makes me feel like I’m not as weird as people think I am. ;)
 
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BestMomEver, natural is almost always better. Fish that get over some ailment normally die of old age. Fish are extremely hardy creatures as long as we don't mess with them. :cool:

I am in awe at the amount of disease and problem threads there are. I believe it is our fault and not the fish, the dealer, the wholesaler or the guy with the canoe who collected them. In the sea the fish were fine and immune with no problems.

Then we get them and subject them to an extremely stressful fresh water dipping then quarantine maybe with Prizapro or copper which are more stressful. Then many fish in those conditions get sick so we try antibiotics or some other stressor and when the fish dies we blame the dealer or Petco.

I throw the fish in my tank and go have some Grand Marnier or a Harvey Wallbanger and all is well. The fish comes out the next day and introduces himself to the other fish and starts to eat right away and unless he jumps out from joy, he lives for 10 or 15 years and croaks of old age. Disease is always a non issue for me as it never happens.

Not even flukes, flounders or intestinal worms that I hear about all the time. I also never dipped a coral and also never had any pests. Maybe it's the lack of RAP music in my house but I know it's not my fish keeping abilities. It must be luck. :rolleyes:
If you click those exes they may work. I am not sure what I am doing so the pictures don't always work.



 
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Wait.....

Before you go senile? After reading your amusing posts on here as well as RC, I always thought you were senile?

Seriously though, I love your posts and usual tongue in cheek responses most times. Good luck and best wishes to the wife, mine has bad lupus, so I somewhat understand what your going through.
 
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We never think about it but when fish eat other "whole" fish as they do every day, they eat the bones and everything else. They digest those bones for the calcium and the liver of the prey is full of oil. Cod liver oil if it's a cod but Hippo tang oil if it's a hippo tang. The fish also is getting whatever that prey fish has in it's guts along with plenty of living bacteria, parasites, viruses, worms etc.
Our fish need that calcium, oil, bacteria, parasites, viruses, worms etc. and it is easy to get in their food. I am not sure but they also may need exercise which is something that unfortunately they don't get in our home tanks.
 
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Wait.....



Seriously though, I love your posts and usual tongue in cheek responses most times. .

Thanks, my tongue has always been in my cheek but I never figured how that expression came about. :rolleyes:
It's like wearing your heart on your sleeve. Like really!

I don't do RC any longer. :cool:
 
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