Dueling Picos- or me giving in to the ADHD

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I'll start by saying this isn't my first rodeo with a reef pico- I had them setup successfully for years before I both got too busy and had mental health issues that took their toll. In fact I had them set up long enough to notice my own trends in how I care for my tanks and in turn that's determined quite a bit of how I've set up this new one. I'm also quite happy that both tanks are set up based on hardware and materials I had laying around, so they were essentially free.
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Reef tank specs:
1.5 gallon
reused 100gph internal filter (with custom output)
reused Lomini light
various dry rubble (and a few little pieces of live rock)

Freshwater tank specs:
2 gallon cube
random fountain pump
reused USB powered plant light it shares with another tank
substrate blend including hand dug sand
re-used mopani wood

Both tanks have been set up within days of each other, but I'll say the freshwater cube is going to be going at a different pace- the substrate came from a tank that I'd kept water in while procrastinating breaking it down. The freshwater tank basically came entirely from me helping some friends set up their first planted tank, and realizing I desperately need to actually break down some tanks from moving 2 months ago. Eventual planned livestock for freshie will be some neocardinia shrimp (color to be determined) and/or Scarlet Badis (or Peacock Gudgeon possibly). Plant wise it's primarily crypts on the left, with peacock moss and anubias on the wood. I added sneaky little substrate pockets so I can get marselia minuta to go into its emerged growth form, and I'm trying some rotala variety as well.

Salt wise, I spent time thinking of where I've gone wrong in the past, and what I can see even now is that I have trouble keeping substrate clean enough to not host a lot of debris and nitrates. The same happens in freshwater, but there at least I can use plants that will take advantage of it. So I've decided from the start to go barebottom, with the understanding I can always add substrate if I need to. In fact I'm using a setup with a false bottom to raise the rockwork up from potential debris, and this (in theory) will make it easier to clean before it becomes problematic. The whole assembly can be lifted out for through cleaning when needed

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I do recognize the need for hosting bacteria though, so I have a section of the under false bottom dedicated to holding some rubble, and while the grid I used floats, zipties solve many problems. I also have some ceramic biomedia and a small bit of rubble in the filter, just to overdo things.

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As far as the filter goes, that thing can move some water. The output was originally a spray bar, made from (wait for it) the body of a ball point pen. It works fine for freshwater, and despite the green end is both slim and discrete. Originally I was going to have one of the spray openings above water to avoid noticeable protein buildup on the surface, but the filter decided it wanted to jet water out the tank if I did that. Turns out that the green of the pen cap is a good fill line to use.

Overall the flow through the tank is quite nice with no dead spots, and some areas of high and low flow. As the flow goes right around the edges of the tank it goes right through the rock in the lower section with no difficulties.

The light is the only thing I'm truly grumbling about. It's just SO bright compared to the freshwater tanks, the blue is a little annoying to my eyes, and as this whole thing is in my bedroom, it can mess with my circadian rhythm (sleep/ wake cycles) which I already have a disorder of. There's some 6700k light coming from the freshwater side, which I wouldn't mind on its own, and makes me think I won't need the whites on the Lumini at all.
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Slightly feel like groaning because my reply got eaten. Alas.

While I wait for the cycle to cycle I've gone ahead and made a thing to help me clean under the grid- airline tube attached to glass tube. Originally the glass tube was for freshwater CO2, but that was years ago, and quite frankly low tech is best tech.

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I also noticed the first life rising up in the reef tank and I'm really hoping it's not a nem. Now would be the time to take care of it if it is though.

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Freshwater is showing some signs of change, even in such a short time. It's much farther along in the cycle and I'm hoping to get neocardinia shrimp in it next week. For now, there's a couple shy new leaves of the Marselia starting to breach the water's surface, promising more growth soon.

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Somehow this didn't get posted in the right thread a couple days back. Ugh.
Got in some spoils from prime day, so I was able to start testing this tank. From just food alone got the ammonia in reef tank to 1, and nitrates are already showing at 10.

Also got a small bottle of Dr. Tim's One and Only and added about half. Seems like there might be mixed reviews of it, but I had trouble actually finding reviews between 8 million results in where to buy it. Even if it doesn't work super well though, the cycle is already in motion.

as of today
Ammonia had spiked to over 1, maybe close to 2, but now it's down to .5
Nitrates are somewhere between 10 and 25

Debating cleaning out the bottom to try and clear the food bits that are producing ammonia, but I'm not actually in too much of a hurry to stock this tank. Coral is pretty expensive.

As far as coral selection goes, at first I was determined that this would be a softy only tank... until I happened to catch a glimpse of of various favias/micromussa/various other LPS at one of the local stores. Fortunately I thought ahead and only gave myself a very small space to work with, so I can't blow my money on a bunch of things that will grow too large. This will be a zoa dominated tank! (so I say now)
 

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The whole base structure seems like a detritus trap to me, but I am interested in following along and wish you success.

FYI I setup a 1.1 gallon pico reef in February and have not done any water changes and it’s completely managed and cleaned by 2 scarlet hermits, 2-3 small nassarius, and 2 astrea snails

I only have to clean the glass every 3 months. The crew is the right size to keep this maintained. I do have a sandbed

 
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The whole base structure seems like a detritus trap to me, but I am interested in following along and wish you success.

FYI I setup a 1.1 gallon pico reef in February and have not done any water changes and it’s completely managed and cleaned by 2 scarlet hermits, 2-3 small nassarius, and 2 astrea snails

I only have to clean the glass every 3 months. The crew is the right size to keep this maintained. I do have a sandbed

I noted as much and both made a tool specifically to address that concern and have the option of adding substrate if I wish. Currently I do not wish.

I've had a 2 gallon reef that did well for a few years before stepping away from saltwater entirely for awhile. My crew for that one was a margarita snail and a few tiny blue legged hermit crabs. I chose to no longer heat my reef tanks, and as such margarita snails are a fair choice.

For this tank I'm planning on one (size is an issue) but I'm uncertain about crabs. I broke down my last reef tank as one of the original tiny hermits got large enough it killed all the other hermits and finally the snail, which in turn caused a crash.

Instead, call me crazy, but perhaps asterina starfish might be my alternative, providing I can find some, find some of what appears to be a safer variety, and convince whoever has them currently that I'm not insane. That last bit is entirely unlikely, but I can pretend. They would have no issues navigating the grid, and given I'm setting a price limit of what corals I add i won't be too upset if things don't go well. At least I could have a starfish tank.

Tidal Gardens gave me the idea for the asterinas, so blame them if you think it's a bad idea
 

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I noted as much and both made a tool specifically to address that concern and have the option of adding substrate if I wish. Currently I do not wish.

I've had a 2 gallon reef that did well for a few years before stepping away from saltwater entirely for awhile. My crew for that one was a margarita snail and a few tiny blue legged hermit crabs. I chose to no longer heat my reef tanks, and as such margarita snails are a fair choice.

For this tank I'm planning on one (size is an issue) but I'm uncertain about crabs. I broke down my last reef tank as one of the original tiny hermits got large enough it killed all the other hermits and finally the snail, which in turn caused a crash.

Instead, call me crazy, but perhaps asterina starfish might be my alternative, providing I can find some, find some of what appears to be a safer variety, and convince whoever has them currently that I'm not insane. That last bit is entirely unlikely, but I can pretend. They would have no issues navigating the grid, and given I'm setting a price limit of what corals I add i won't be too upset if things don't go well. At least I could have a starfish tank.

Tidal Gardens gave me the idea for the asterinas, so blame them if you think it's a bad idea
There are several species and most look similar. I had them in my tanks 20+ years. Never an issue. Somehow got some bad ones. They nearly destroyed a colony of exosphere zoa. I was reduced from 25 polyps to about 5 because of them.

Like I said some are 1000% fine but some aren’t. We have a thread trying to figure this out and hopefully document ways to tell them apart
 

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Also those tiny blue leg hermits and these ones called dwarf red or red leg hermits - another tiny species, dark body reddish tips on feet - both of these are aggressive. You would want the scarlet hermits that are all red with yellow eyes, I find these are most peaceful
 
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Things appear to be coming along nicely with the tanks- I think I'm starting to enter the diatom stage in the reef tank. Still no idea if the Dr. Tim's did anything, but as I used food as the ammonia source, it's still producing ammonia, and thus nitrates. This is fine. Will do water change soon. Might add more food to provide ammonia, given it might be a hot minute until I can get coral.

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Luckily I've got an entirely different tank on the same shelf that is doing fabulously. It looks like the cycle on freshie has wrapped up- the behavior of the snails is typical for what you should see in a healthy tank, rather than endlessly trying to escape the tank. There's other signs, but that's a clear and easily visible one. Am I going to test this tank? No. Will I do water changes before adding livestock? Absolutely

I'm quite pleased to see new growth, especially with the drama queen crypts that still might melt on me, but they will absolutely regrow even if reduced to roots. Coral needs to take notes. Crypts are normally quite hardy despite the drama and fairly slow growing so seeing multiple new leaves is excellent.

That said, marselia waits for no one, and seems to have decided it likes the new arrangement. While this initial growth is quite short and mostly single-lobed, it won't be long until I start seeing four leaf clovers standing tall out of this tank. Also added some phoenix moss, for flavor.

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Unfortunately I've also very much entered freshwater's ugly phase in terms of using wood in a tank. There's a harmless, but ugly and stinking mold covering much of the submerged wood. The snails, and the mix of freshwater copepods/fairy shrimp/daphnia are helping control it. I happened to have a bunch of fairy shrimp eggs, and while few fairy shrimp have ever hatched from them, the rest of the lot are welcomed.

This did get me thinking about the dichotomy of how snails are viewed between fresh and salt water. In freshwater you'll find article after article on how to get rid of them and how annoying people find them- when in salt water, doing the same things, they're praised and beloved. Strange. Personally I think snails are and essential part of a freshwater tank, particularly the burrowing and substrate sifting Malaysian trumpet snail (a mangled individual shown). They're even a livebearer, so no annoying eggs.

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Oh right, this is a salt water forum! Uhh, here's a yellow sponge(?) I noticed on one of the live rocks.
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