Clown Fish - Horrible reaction to Prazipro - Suspect deeply entrenched Flukes

RC_Reefer

Community Member
View Badges
Joined
Feb 17, 2023
Messages
34
Reaction score
11
Location
Moreno Valley, CA
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
40g QT
Large canister filter (550gph)
2 large air stones (plenty of aeration)
0.0 Ammonia
Cycled - But fresh WC 9 days ago
Finished 30 day copper @ 2.30 ppm
Dosed Prazipro yesterday at 7am.

Total of 5 fish in this QT
All other fish are fine.
One of the clowns experienced immediate effects from administering a dose of Prazipro.
Labored breathing staying near surface.
24hrs later he is in a PVC fitting on bottom. He is upright but still labored breathing. Some fin wrought. Eyes are clear, No signs of white poop.
I'm suspecting deeply entrenched Flukes.

Assuming he makes it through the day,
What should be the next step?
Metroplex bath?

Thank you
Jeremy
 

Spare time

10K Club member
View Badges
Joined
Apr 12, 2019
Messages
13,208
Reaction score
10,672
Location
Here
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Assuming it is the prazipro and not just a coincidence, did you notice lots of wriggling when the prazi was first added? If there were lots of flukes, the clown could have basically had tons of wounds open up from the flukes dislodging. I can imagine this to be quite uncomfortable.
 
OP
OP
R

RC_Reefer

Community Member
View Badges
Joined
Feb 17, 2023
Messages
34
Reaction score
11
Location
Moreno Valley, CA
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Assuming it is the prazipro and not just a coincidence, did you notice lots of wriggling when the prazi was first added? If there were lots of flukes, the clown could have basically had tons of wounds open up from the flukes dislodging. I can imagine this to be quite uncomfortable.
Replied.
Thanks
 

Sharkbait19

10K Club member
View Badges
Joined
Aug 13, 2020
Messages
11,279
Reaction score
13,855
Location
New Jersey
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Have you noticed any damage to the clown?
Staying near the surface and gasping air sounds like it’s not getting enough oxygen to me. That’s pretty common with prazi, I know you said you have a lot of aeration but maybe it’s not enough.
 
OP
OP
R

RC_Reefer

Community Member
View Badges
Joined
Feb 17, 2023
Messages
34
Reaction score
11
Location
Moreno Valley, CA
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Have you noticed any damage to the clown?
Staying near the surface and gasping air sounds like it’s not getting enough oxygen to me. That’s pretty common with prazi, I know you said you have a lot of aeration but maybe it’s not enough.
Yes.
Could very well be.
I've ran a dozen fish through this QT and haven't had an issue.
However, this clown could be the outlier.
 

vetteguy53081

Well known Member and monster tank lover
View Badges
Joined
Aug 11, 2013
Messages
96,707
Reaction score
215,505
Location
Wisconsin -
Rating - 100%
15   0   0
40g QT
Large canister filter (550gph)
2 large air stones (plenty of aeration)
0.0 Ammonia
Cycled - But fresh WC 9 days ago
Finished 30 day copper @ 2.30 ppm
Dosed Prazipro yesterday at 7am.

Total of 5 fish in this QT
All other fish are fine.
One of the clowns experienced immediate effects from administering a dose of Prazipro.
Labored breathing staying near surface.
24hrs later he is in a PVC fitting on bottom. He is upright but still labored breathing. Some fin wrought. Eyes are clear, No signs of white poop.
I'm suspecting deeply entrenched Flukes.

Assuming he makes it through the day,
What should be the next step?
Metroplex bath?

Thank you
Jeremy
Prazi will affect both appetite and oxygen and should be dosed at 85% of recommended with added air stone. I have a sneaky feeling the glycol content in prazi had adverse effect on the fish. Add air stone if you havent already and do slight water change to reduce the content and do not add any more for at least a week and change water on day 8
 
OP
OP
R

RC_Reefer

Community Member
View Badges
Joined
Feb 17, 2023
Messages
34
Reaction score
11
Location
Moreno Valley, CA
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Prazi will affect both appetite and oxygen and should be dosed at 85% of recommended with added air stone. I have a sneaky feeling the glycol content in prazi had adverse effect on the fish
Oh wow!
Ya I definitely dosed at recommended dose.
Should I prepare for a 50% WC and add activated carbon to my canister?
Thanks
 

vetteguy53081

Well known Member and monster tank lover
View Badges
Joined
Aug 11, 2013
Messages
96,707
Reaction score
215,505
Location
Wisconsin -
Rating - 100%
15   0   0
Oh wow!
Ya I definitely dosed at recommended dose.
Should I prepare for a 50% WC and add activated carbon to my canister?
Thanks
25% sufficient and add oxygen not yet carbon. You can however run skimmer if you have one with the cup off at least 3-5 days
 
OP
OP
R

RC_Reefer

Community Member
View Badges
Joined
Feb 17, 2023
Messages
34
Reaction score
11
Location
Moreno Valley, CA
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
25% sufficient and add oxygen not yet carbon. You can however run skimmer if you have one with the cup off at least 3-5 days
Ok cool
I don't have a skimmer, but I already am running a very much oversized air pump with 2 large air stones.
I just watched a video of him moving about, buy he's all wobbly and still heavy breathing
 

Jay Hemdal

10K Club member
View Badges
Joined
Jul 31, 2020
Messages
28,604
Reaction score
28,261
Location
Dundee, MI
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Oh wow!
Ya I definitely dosed at recommended dose.
Should I prepare for a 50% WC and add activated carbon to my canister?
Thanks
The recommended dose is fine if you know the actual net volume of the tank. The 85% rate is used to offset displacement of rock/gravel, etc. if you don’t know the net volume.

Did the tank have good aeration?

This is possibly the issue seen with severe flukes - where the prazi knocks off many flukes, leaving open wounds and the fish starts to bleed out. There is no way around that though, if you don’t kill the flukes, the fish will die anyway. I experimented with trying to knock of some flukes with a low dose, letting the fish heal a few days and then dosing a full dose, but it is just guesswork.
 
OP
OP
R

RC_Reefer

Community Member
View Badges
Joined
Feb 17, 2023
Messages
34
Reaction score
11
Location
Moreno Valley, CA
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
The recommended dose is fine if you know the actual net volume of the tank. The 85% rate is used to offset displacement of rock/gravel, etc. if you don’t know the net volume.

Did the tank have good aeration?
Ah ok.
This is a bare bottom QT so no offset needed.

But yes, I feel the aeration was adequate.
2 large bubble streams, then the outlet of the canister filter is blowing put at the bubbles and creating ripples on the surface.
 

vetteguy53081

Well known Member and monster tank lover
View Badges
Joined
Aug 11, 2013
Messages
96,707
Reaction score
215,505
Location
Wisconsin -
Rating - 100%
15   0   0
Ah ok.
This is a bare bottom QT so no offset needed.

But yes, I feel the aeration was adequate.
2 large bubble streams, then the outlet of the canister filter is blowing put at the bubbles and creating ripples on the surface.
Can you post a short video or pics of the bubble streams you mention?
Added O2 very important
 

BiggestE22

Active Member
View Badges
Joined
Apr 13, 2011
Messages
369
Reaction score
190
Location
Dallas
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Prazi will affect both appetite and oxygen and should be dosed at 85% of recommended with added air stone. I have a sneaky feeling the glycol content in prazi had adverse effect on the fish. Add air stone if you havent already and do slight water change to reduce the content and do not add any more for at least a week and change water on day 8
Prazipro suchs oxygen out of the tank. You basically have to move powerheads to the waterline.
 

vetteguy53081

Well known Member and monster tank lover
View Badges
Joined
Aug 11, 2013
Messages
96,707
Reaction score
215,505
Location
Wisconsin -
Rating - 100%
15   0   0
Can you post a short video or pics of the bubble streams you mention?
Added O2 very important
You want to apply at 85% of recommended as this can be overdosed and it’s extremely important to add an airstone during use
Please post a lengthy video under white light intensity and do a 25% water change to reduce content of praziquantel
 

Jody Owens

Active Member
View Badges
Joined
Aug 11, 2023
Messages
196
Reaction score
49
Location
Kansas City
Rating - 100%
3   0   0
You want to apply at 85% of recommended as this can be overdosed and it’s extremely important to add an airstone during use
Please post a lengthy video under white light intensity and do a 25% water change to reduce content of praziquantel
Doesn’t dosing at 85% run a large risk of over dosing if you have a lot of rock work? Would a single small air stone be enough over running the skimmer pump at a very low rate?
 

vetteguy53081

Well known Member and monster tank lover
View Badges
Joined
Aug 11, 2013
Messages
96,707
Reaction score
215,505
Location
Wisconsin -
Rating - 100%
15   0   0
Doesn’t dosing at 85% run a large risk of over dosing if you have a lot of rock work? Would a single small air stone be enough over running the skimmer pump at a very low rate?
It’s a reduction and reason applying 85% opposed to 100%
 

HAVE YOU EVER KEPT A RARE/UNCOMMON FISH, CORAL, OR INVERT? SHOW IT OFF IN THE THREAD!

  • Yes!

    Votes: 32 45.7%
  • Not yet, but I have one that I want to buy in mind!

    Votes: 9 12.9%
  • No.

    Votes: 26 37.1%
  • Other (please explain).

    Votes: 3 4.3%
Back
Top