Cerith id

[Pridedcloth3]

Had this I guess cerith that popped up out of nowhere and wondering what kind it is so I can attempt to get a few more. About a inch and a half long just noticed a couple months ago. Think it may have come in on tbs rock but not sure 100%. Doesn't bother anything only comes out at night and seen like once a week, haven't seen a surface it won't crawl over.

 

[Gumbies R Us]

Had this I guess cerith that popped up out of nowhere and wondering what kind it is so I can attempt to get a few more. About a inch and a half long just noticed a couple months ago. Think it may have come in on tbs rock but not sure 100%. Doesn't bother anything only comes out at night and seen like once a week, haven't seen a surface it won't crawl over.

Is it possible to get a better picture? I want to say it's some kind of cerith but I'm not 100% sure

 

[Pridedcloth3]

That's the

Is it possible to get a better picture? I want to say it's some kind of cerith but I'm not 100% sure

best I could get, probably won't see it for quite some time as usual.

 

[kevgib67]

Is that a trunk? If so it’s not a cerith more likely a whelk.

 

[Pridedcloth3]

Is that a trunk? If so it’s not a cerith more likely a whelk.

For sure a trunk but not a whelk. Snail population is solid and bivalves all doing good. I notice it's a big fan of algea and any film on the glass. I do have whelks though but they're in the refugium living separate lives.

 

[kevgib67]

For sure a trunk but not a whelk. Snail population is solid and bivalves all doing good. I notice it's a big fan of algea and any film on the glass. I do have whelks though but they're in the refugium living separate lives.

Ok, ceriths don’t have a trunk. Not all whelks are predators. Nassarius snails are whelks. Yours might not be but definitely not a cerith, probably a good guy but I would keep an eye on it for a while.

 

[Pridedcloth3]

Ok, ceriths don’t have a trunk. Not all whelks are predators. Nassarius snails are whelks. Yours might not be but definitely not a cerith, probably a good guy but I would keep an eye on it for a while.

The same could be said for the conch, hopefully that didn't come out the wrong way because all I really know is undocumented gastropod of we're being honest. It does have a relatively long trunk like at least ⅓ it's body length that I noticed before the camera flash spooked it. Not too worried about it because every time I see it it's around something I don't want and the next day whatever that was is either gone or severely reduced. My reason for shying away from whelk is that every one I've seen is stubby for its size where as this one is more long and slender which is why when I originally said cerith but I didn't notice the trunk the first few times until last night. What I do know is that it's a powerhouse against algea and cyano which is why I'm trying to figure out exactly what it is. I also have rhetorical reasons to believe it's also controlling coraline, but nothing concrete just it was in that general area then I noticed blank spots.

 

[kevgib67]

The same could be said for the conch, hopefully that didn't come out the wrong way because all I really know is undocumented gastropod of we're being honest. It does have a relatively long trunk like at least ⅓ it's body length that I noticed before the camera flash spooked it. Not too worried about it because every time I see it it's around something I don't want and the next day whatever that was is either gone or severely reduced. My reason for shying away from whelk is that every one I've seen is stubby for its size where as this one is more long and slender which is why when I originally said cerith but I didn't notice the trunk the first few times until last night. What I do know is that it's a powerhouse against algea and cyano which is why I'm trying to figure out exactly what it is. I also have rhetorical reasons to believe it's also controlling coraline, but nothing concrete just it was in that general area then I noticed blank spots.

@ISpeakForTheSeas ?

 

[ISpeakForTheSeas]

@ISpeakForTheSeas ?

Sorry been super busy.

Some snails are relatively easy for me to ID, and some are quite tough for me at this point (I've been doing more digging into snail taxonomy and morphology, but I've got a long way to go, especially when some of the distinctions are internal, microscopic, and not necessarily contained to a single group of snails).

Unfortunately, this snail is tough for me.

Long story short, snails may or may not have 1 ) a siphon (this snail has one; siphons are used for breathing in clean water and for chemosensory purposes to find food - either prey or detritus) and 2 ) a proboscis, which is basically a trunk-like appendage for the mouth to sit at the end of (this is separate from the siphon, which sticks out through a siphonal notch or siphonal canal; I don't know if this snail has one or not, but it would be down between the eyes if it does).

Cerith snails have siphons/siphonal canals, and I know at least some species have proboscises, but I'm not sure if they all do or don't.

OP, there's no guarantee I'll be able to ID this snail at this point, but is there any chance you could get pics (top, bottom, and both sides) of the snail under white light while it's hiding in its shell? The operculum (the trapdoor the snail closes its shell with) and texture of the opening/lip around the opening may offer clues here to help us get closer to an ID here.

 

[Pridedcloth3]

Sorry been super busy.

Some snails are relatively easy for me to ID, and some are quite tough for me at this point (I've been doing more digging into snail taxonomy and morphology, but I've got a long way to go, especially when some of the distinctions are internal, microscopic, and not necessarily contained to a single group of snails).

Unfortunately, this snail is tough for me.

Long story short, snails may or may not have 1 ) a siphon (this snail has one; siphons are used for breathing in clean water and for chemosensory purposes to find food - either prey or detritus) and 2 ) a proboscis, which is basically a trunk-like appendage for the mouth to sit at the end of (this is separate from the siphon, which sticks out through a siphonal notch or siphonal canal; I don't know if this snail has one or not, but it would be down between the eyes if it does).

Cerith snails have siphons/siphonal canals, and I know at least some species have proboscises, but I'm not sure if they all do or don't.

OP, there's no guarantee I'll be able to ID this snail at this point, but is there any chance you could get pics (top, bottom, and both sides) of the snail under white light while it's hiding in its shell? The operculum (the trapdoor the snail closes its shell with) and texture of the opening/lip around the opening may offer clues here to help us get closer to an ID here.

10-4 hopefully it shows again tonight. If it does I'll pull it out and take a ton of them.

 

[jabberwock]

PHOTOSHOOT!!!

 

[Pridedcloth3]

PHOTOSHOOT!!!

Like an old vogue magazine

 

[Pridedcloth3]

Sorry been super busy.

Some snails are relatively easy for me to ID, and some are quite tough for me at this point (I've been doing more digging into snail taxonomy and morphology, but I've got a long way to go, especially when some of the distinctions are internal, microscopic, and not necessarily contained to a single group of snails).

Unfortunately, this snail is tough for me.

Long story short, snails may or may not have 1 ) a siphon (this snail has one; siphons are used for breathing in clean water and for chemosensory purposes to find food - either prey or detritus) and 2 ) a proboscis, which is basically a trunk-like appendage for the mouth to sit at the end of (this is separate from the siphon, which sticks out through a siphonal notch or siphonal canal; I don't know if this snail has one or not, but it would be down between the eyes if it does).

Cerith snails have siphons/siphonal canals, and I know at least some species have proboscises, but I'm not sure if they all do or don't.

OP, there's no guarantee I'll be able to ID this snail at this point, but is there any chance you could get pics (top, bottom, and both sides) of the snail under white light while it's hiding in its shell? The operculum (the trapdoor the snail closes its shell with) and texture of the opening/lip around the opening may offer clues here to help us get closer to an ID here.

Finally showed

 

[ISpeakForTheSeas]

Finally showed

Yeah, seems to be a Cerithioidean snail of some variety as far as I can tell. You can use the operculum to figure out which taxonomic family:

Horn Shells & Creeper Snails (Phylum Mollusca: Superfamily Cerithioidea) of Singapore

Horn shells are snails with a long and pointed spire (much like a horn) from the superfamily Cerithioidea. Many horn shells are found on sa...

tidechaser.blogspot.com

 

[jabberwock]

The soft parts should be a dead give away for a whelk. Leopard print = predator.

 

[Pridedcloth3]

The soft parts should be a dead give away for a whelk. Leopard print = predator.

I've got quite a few of those in your picture, completely different snail.

 

[Pridedcloth3]

Yeah, seems to be a Cerithioidean snail of some variety as far as I can tell. You can use the operculum to figure out which taxonomic family:

Horn Shells & Creeper Snails (Phylum Mollusca: Superfamily Cerithioidea) of Singapore

Horn shells are snails with a long and pointed spire (much like a horn) from the superfamily Cerithioidea. Many horn shells are found on sa...

tidechaser.blogspot.com

I did see one that's a pretty close match, the Chinese horn in particular. I'm gonna do some more digging due to me not having anything imported except a mantis shrimp 2 years ago. While not likely it came with it, it is possible. Close match that raises more questions lol.