Buddy found new fish in his tank. New never before captive breed or hybrid?

[Kzang]

My buddy raises clownfish and he found these in his tank. No new fish added for years.

Stock is sailfin, tomini, yellow wrasse (I think Cori’s), ornate leopard, 2 pajama cardinals, 4 lyretail anthias, foxface, and a goby.

It doesn’t look like a pajama. Did he just captive breed a lyretail or a hybrid wrasse/tang?

Only pairs of anthia, tang, wrasse, and pajama cardinals.
So it is either anthia, hybrid tang, hybrid wrasse, or pajama

Currently eating small crushed TDO.

 

[Troylee]

Interesting.. of all those only the pajama is known to breed in captivity beside the tangs at biota.

 

[Daniel@R2R]

Interesting...following along.

 

[Kzang]

Interesting...following along.

He’s got 8.

 

[djf91]

Hard to believe.

You said he raises clownfish. How is it not a clownfish?

 

[Kzang]

Hard to believe.

You said he raises clownfish. How is it not a clownfish?

He breeds them because he has 5 pairs and doesn’t want them to die. He donates to LFS. The display is my old flurry clownfish. Great clowns they don’t even attack your hand.

Anyway, it’s possible they are. Who knows though. Mixed thoughts on it means it could be something special…special in what regard will hopefully manifest when they age.

He said he noticed them at night when the anthias were darting and acting weird.

He said normally clownfish “yoke” is gone after 24 hours. Yet, these specimen are much larger than the typical tiny clownfish fry.

It’s almost as if they just hatched, and haven’t been in the tank for long

 

[ISpeakForTheSeas]

Did he just captive breed a lyretail or a hybrid wrasse/tang?

It does look remarkably similar to Lyretail larvae at a few weeks post hatching:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anil-Mk/publication/359416317_First_successful_breeding_of_Lyretail_anthias_under_captive_condition/links/623b05d8a0e20e79e2ac008d/First-successful-breeding-of-Lyretail-anthias-under-captive-condition?origin=publication_detail&_tp=eyJjb250ZXh0Ijp7ImZpcnN0UGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIiwicGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uRG93bmxvYWQiLCJwcmV2aW91c1BhZ2UiOiJwdWJsaWNhdGlvbiJ9fQ

Edit: Looks like the link didn't work too well, but here's the report it links to:

 

[Kzang]

It does look remarkably similar to Lyretail larvae at a few weeks post hatching:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anil-Mk/publication/359416317_First_successful_breeding_of_Lyretail_anthias_under_captive_condition/links/623b05d8a0e20e79e2ac008d/First-successful-breeding-of-Lyretail-anthias-under-captive-condition?origin=publication_detail&_tp=eyJjb250ZXh0Ijp7ImZpcnN0UGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIiwicGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uRG93bmxvYWQiLCJwcmV2aW91c1BhZ2UiOiJwdWJsaWNhdGlvbiJ9fQ

Edit: Looks like the link didn't work too well, but here's the report it links to:

Oh wow. That bottom left pic looks almost spot on

 

[Kzang]

It does look remarkably similar to Lyretail larvae at a few weeks post hatching:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anil-Mk/publication/359416317_First_successful_breeding_of_Lyretail_anthias_under_captive_condition/links/623b05d8a0e20e79e2ac008d/First-successful-breeding-of-Lyretail-anthias-under-captive-condition?origin=publication_detail&_tp=eyJjb250ZXh0Ijp7ImZpcnN0UGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIiwicGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uRG93bmxvYWQiLCJwcmV2aW91c1BhZ2UiOiJwdWJsaWNhdGlvbiJ9fQ

Edit: Looks like the link didn't work too well, but here's the report it links to:

Holy ******* ****. It definitely looks like the beginning of the bottom left pic.

Edit: second post but dang more I look at it. He could be the first person to cavity bred a lyretail anthia.

Edit2: maybe not the first according to article. Still really cool

 

[ISpeakForTheSeas]

Holy ******* ****. It definitely looks like the beginning of the bottom left pic.

Edit: second post but dang more I look at it. He could be the first person to cavity bred a lyretail anthia.

Haha, if it is, I'd love to know more about their tank and what the larvae have been feeding on.

 

[djf91]

I’m trying to understand this. This was found in with one of the clownfish cultures or in the display?

 

[doubleshot00]

 

[Kzang]

Haha, if it is, I'd love to know more about their tank and what the larvae have been feeding on.

Yeah like clownfish need specific rotifers and powdered food. No idea how they would survive. Seems to be anthia

 

[Kzang]

I’m trying to understand this. This was found in with one of the clownfish cultures or in the display?

In the display. The display does have two breeding flurry clownfish. He has 4 other separate tanks with one breeding pair of clownfish.

 

[djf91]

Yeah like clownfish need specific rotifers and powdered food. No idea how they would survive. Seems to be anthia

Anthias larvae are much more specialized than clownfish when it comes to feeding/ rearing requirements.

My money is on it being a clownfish. Which I think is still unprecedented in a reef display. Does he dose rotifers to the tank?

 

[I never finish anythi]

Amazing.

 

[officialreefbros]

That's awesome! I want to try clowns but that's a whole new level!

 

[Readywriter]

If its an unprecedented hybrid please convince your friend to give it an obnoxious name.

 

[icedgxe]

Following!

 

[ISpeakForTheSeas]

Anthias larvae are much more specialized than clownfish when it comes to feeding/ rearing requirements.

My money is on it being a clownfish. Which I think is still unprecedented in a reef display. Does he dose rotifers to the tank?

Definitely true about the feeding - clownfish larvae would be much more probable; the links below have pics of larval Ocellaris clownfish to compare with (days ~3-10 post hatch ocellaris larvae look pretty similar to ~3 weeks post hatch lyretails):

https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/d85a962a-bd68-4c4b-917f-bf9dd8511124/dvdy46-fig-0007-m.jpg

https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/b524a61c-a5ff-4ff8-ab5b-9cd795b3a1fa/dvdy46-fig-0009-m.jpg

Either way, it'll become apparent in a few days what kind of fish it is for sure, and - while not completely unheard of - it is incredibly rare (like lottery winner rare) to have pelagic larvae survive in display tanks.

So, clowns or anthias, it's super cool either way.

Edit: Adding the source the pics are from:

https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/dvdy.46