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They are the slowest growing zoos I've ever had. They are about 3 years in my tank and I've fragged them 3 times locally. No one has been able to keep them alive in their tanks. I still don't know what they are though.
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1 died immediately so I sent another which lived for a couple of weeks. The 3rd frag stayed alive for a few months and then deteiorated.
To tell the truth, I'm acclimating five frags right now.I float the bag for 30 minutes, wait fifteen minutes.I then pour about 2-3oz of water into the bag, every 10-15 minutes I do this for about two hours, and then I place the frags in.I know everyone says drip acclimating is the best, but I've never lost a frag that I've owned.
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I usually do what Maroonytunes does and have had always good luck with it. I did the exact same procedure to a sweet 12 polyp frag or the coolest RPEs and xome of those green PE that have been coming in on the same frag plug that cost a pretty penny. They all died with 3 weeks, I then got a replacement polyp of RPE from the LFS I deal with same procedure and it withered away in about 2 weeks. I decided I really had to have one and traded some leather coral for a single polyp of RPE and did the Twon method and guess what? IT is doing 10x better then the others did with no acclimation what so ever.....This hobby is here to frustrate you no matter how you do it. Now there is actually a new polyp sprouting out from it....Who knows All I know is both ways work.
I've asked at a few LFS, and they don't acclimate their corals.
One of the LFS managers has many years of hardcore experience in the marine ornamental industry and in academic research. Most recently he had been overseeing the setup and operation of a coral mariculture facility on the islands. I've seen him bring in all kinds of corals, and he doesn't acclimate.
One of the LFS managers has many years of hardcore experience in the marine ornamental industry and in academic research. Most recently he had been overseeing the setup and operation of a coral mariculture facility on the islands. I've seen him bring in all kinds of corals, and he doesn't acclimate.
One thing that I read recently relates to ammonia.
If an animal or coral is fouling the water, the ammonia levels rise. If the pH is low as with old water, it's not so much a problem because the NH3 is bound up as NH4+ which is not so harmful for the organism.
If you do a water change, or anything which starts raising the pH back to more normal levels, the NH4+ starts releasing the NH3 which is what causes the big problems. I believe that is why some vendors don't recommend slow acclimation for recently shipped snails.
Picked up the ammonia tip in the fish breeding forum on RC, I think. That was a warning on dealing with ammonia in larvae tanks. Fish larvae being among the most delicate organisms.
If an animal or coral is fouling the water, the ammonia levels rise. If the pH is low as with old water, it's not so much a problem because the NH3 is bound up as NH4+ which is not so harmful for the organism.
If you do a water change, or anything which starts raising the pH back to more normal levels, the NH4+ starts releasing the NH3 which is what causes the big problems. I believe that is why some vendors don't recommend slow acclimation for recently shipped snails.
Picked up the ammonia tip in the fish breeding forum on RC, I think. That was a warning on dealing with ammonia in larvae tanks. Fish larvae being among the most delicate organisms.
twon8 said:
I do the same, with a freshwater iodine shake n bake thrown in for good measure, I think that zoos are probably in a bag with awful water parameters by the time they arrive at their destination due to die off on the rocks since they grow in pretty nutrient rich conditions, and leaving them in the water longer by drip acclimating just stresses them further
Mr. Ugly said:
exactly! I read the same study, it seems that a lot of industry professionals recommend minimal acclimating after shipping, and I'm definitely all about taking time saving advice
I normally float the bag(s) for 30mins to bring the water upto temp & then dip them as per Mucho's thread on RC. then in the tank on the bottom until they settle.....
Cheers Shelton.
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